From PRECAL@rulmvs.LeidenUniv.NL Mon Mar 11 13:41:18 1996 Received: from rulsur.LeidenUniv.nl (rulsur.LeidenUniv.nl [132.229.1.2]) by dkuug.dk (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id NAA20295 for ; Mon, 11 Mar 1996 13:41:13 +0100 Received: from RULMVS.LeidenUniv.nl (MAILER@HLERUL2) by rulsur.LeidenUniv.NL (PMDF V5.0-4 #2497) id <01I27Q79OUG000010O@rulsur.LeidenUniv.NL>; Mon, 11 Mar 1996 13:40:48 +0100 (MET) Date: Mon, 11 Mar 1996 13:40 +0100 (CET) From: Johan van Wingen Subject: (Copy) (Copy) iso / dis 8879 Hypertext Markup Language Standard To: ISO 10646 Discussion List , i18n mailing list Message-id: <"96-03-11-13:40:23.65*PRECAL"@rulmvs.LeidenUniv.NL> Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT ---------------------------- Text of forwarded message ----------------------- Date: Fri, 08 Mar 96 16:57 CET From: "Johan van Wingen" To: Martin Bryan , "H. Gaylord" Subject: (Copy) iso / dis 8879 Hypertext Markup Language Standard CC: SC22 List , SC22/WG20 mailing list , SC02 List Gentlemen Here is at last a voice from Turkey itself. I always maintained that The Netherlands had selected 8859-9, not 8859-1 for Government use, but that message was generally ignored. ---------------------------- Text of forwarded message ----------------------- Date: Fri, 08 Mar 1996 16:40:33 +0300 (EET) From: Umit KARAKAS Subject: iso / dis 8879 Hypertext Markup Language Standard To: central@ISOCS.ISO.CN Cc: karakas@ETI.CC.HUN.EDU.TR, tse-d@SERVIS.MET.TR, postmaster@DIN.DE,smazza@ANS I.ORG.EDU , ozgit@METU.EDU.TR, yener@METU.EDU.TR,faruk@ECZACIBASI.COM.TR , jbettels@GVA05.ENET.DEC.COM,becker.osbunorth@XEROX.COM , don_carrol@HPBOI1.DESK.HP.COM, ksoe@DS.DK,edwin-hart@JHUAPL.EDU , asmusf@IX.NETCOM.COM, alb@SCT.GOUV.QC.CA,winkler@PO3.BB.UNISYS.COM , precal@RULMVS.LEIDENUNIV.NL, Ersin TORECI , hun.edu.tr@ETI.CC.HUN.EDU.TR I have deep concern about DRaft (?) standard 8879 . Would you supply me e-mail address, fax and postal address for working group members for this (8879) standard. The previous standard in this area were ISO8879 Standard Generalized Markup Language (SGML), date 1986-10-15, and the previous standard is based on various, selectable code tables as iso2022,iso4873,iso6737. According to partial information on current (draft ? ) HTML the code table is selected as Latin 1. Latin 1 is regional code table for most of the West European languages is represented in. On the contrary Latin 5 ( iso8859 table 9 , ecma128 Latin 5 ) is designed for maximum utility latin letters. Latin 1 covers 43 countries and 17 languages according to geographic selection which is west european, Latin 5 covers 43 countries and 17 languages according to frequency of the letter and language. Since HTML is basically network utility, and it is used /may be used for WWW pages, this standard may not be based on regional standard. Otherwise WWW pages, that advertise new products, may not be read in Turkey. For your information According to our brief search depending on UN statistics indicate that Latin Alphabet based languages utility frequencies is given below : spoken as first language spoken as second language English 518,244,999 69,033,265 +++ Spanish 304,689,188 17,830,359 + Portuguese 151,230,622 965,712 ++ Turkish 99,866,460 30,381,893 + French 104,751,358 10,529,661 ++ German 93,849,110 9,341,971 ++ Italian 57,944,978 9,056,842 + Polish 37,881,900 1,898,223 Data depends on UN statistics , related years 91 to 94, if recent data is unavailable statistics on 91 is accepted. By choosing latin 1 over Latin 5, or intending to do it 130 million customers (who speak Turkish ) is ignored. Would you send information about the current status about 8879 HTML ?, copy of current draft and related iso / sc18 meeting timetable sincerely Umit Karakas