From 100434.3031@CompuServe.COM Wed Sep 18 10:24:26 1996 Received: from dub-img-3.compuserve.com (dub-img-3.compuserve.com [149.174.206.133]) by dkuug.dk (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id KAA25910 for ; Wed, 18 Sep 1996 10:24:19 +0200 Received: by dub-img-3.compuserve.com (8.6.10/5.950515) id EAA17369; Wed, 18 Sep 1996 04:23:36 -0400 Date: 18 Sep 96 04:16:57 EDT From: Jean Stride <100434.3031@CompuServe.COM> To: ISO/IEC JTC 1/SC 24 Cc: AFNORSC29PMEMB <100565.3724@CompuServe.COM>, George Battrick , John Bijlsma , Keith Brannon , Steve Carson , Matthew Deane , Andre Ducrot , Ralph Goldsmith , Ingolf Grieger , Paul ten Hagen , Lofton Henderson , Wolfgang Herzner , Hideko Kikuchi , Leszek Kotsch , Doug Langlotz , Anne Mumford , Unknown CompuServe address , Dick Puk , Lisa Rajchel , Joachim RIx , Susie Quinn Sherrick , Klaus Sondergaard , Horst Stenzel , Jiri Zara Subject: resend of previous message Message-ID: <960918081656_100434.3031_JHU24-3@CompuServe.COM> Please forward any comments you may have on this document to the SC 24 Chairman and myself by 30 September. ---------- Forwarded Message ---------- From: LISA RAJCHEL, INTERNET:LRAJCHEL@ansi.org TO: (unknown), 100627,3226 Dennis Potter, 100271,1617 Jean Stride, 100434,3031 "JEAN SHILDNECK (SC 21 Sec)", INTERNET:JSHILDNE@ANSI.ORG "MARISA TOPPING (SC 18 Sec)", INTERNET:MTOPPING@ANSI.ORG "STACY LEISTNER (SC6/SC11 Sec)", INTERNET:SLEISTNE@ANSI.ORG "Yasuda, Hiroshi (SC 29Chair)", INTERNET:YASUDA@PLAN.ISL.NTT.JP "Haberman, Alan", INTERNET:AAH1000@AOL.COM "Follett, Bob (SC 22 Chair)", INTERNET:FOLLETT@ACCESS1.DIGEX.NET "asa.forsberg", INTERNET:ASA.FORSBERG@ITS.SE Bruce Bargmeyer, INTERNET:BARGMEYER.BRUCE@EPAMAIL.EPA.GOV Norway, INTERNET:BJORNHILD.SAETEROY@NTS.NO "Blanchon, Elizabeth (SC1)", INTERNET:BLANCHON@DIALUP.FRANCENET.FR "Viklund, Bo (Sweden)", INTERNET:BO.VIKLUND@ITS.SE "Bousquet, Francoise", INTERNET:BOUSQUET@PAO.MTS.DEC.COM "Brannon, Keith", INTERNET:BRANNON@ISOCS.ISO.CH "Carson, G.S. (SC 24 Chair)", INTERNET:CARSON@SIGGRAPH.ORG "Cheng, Amelie (SC1 Sec.)", INTERNET:CHENG@SATURNE.AFNOR.FR "Lawler, Mary Anne", INTERNET:CIRSMDG@RHQVM07.VNET.IBM.COM "Cote, Joe (SC 7 Chair)", INTERNET:COTE.JL@RESONET.COM cowani, INTERNET:COWANI@NSAI.IE "Brooks, David (UK)", INTERNET:DAVID.BROOKS@BSI.BSI.BTX400.CO.UK Doug Langlotz, INTERNET:DLANGLOTZ@SCC.CA "'Bennett, Freda'", INTERNET:FJB@APACS.DEMON.CO.UK "Fujisaki, J. (SC 26 Sec)", INTERNET:FUJISAKI@EPC.HO.NEC.CO.JP "Sidey, George", INTERNET:GEORGE.SIDEY@BSI.BSI.BTX400.CO.UK "Lauri, Gino (SC 28 Chair)", INTERNET:GINO.LAURI@ECMA.CH "Guillabert, Marie-Martine", INTERNET:GUILLAB@SATURNE.AFNOR.FR ECMA, INTERNET:HELPDESK@ECMA.CH "Hittema, Tony (SC 30 Sec)", INTERNET:HITTEMA@SATURNE.AFNOR.FR "'Reuss, Hans (Denmark)'", INTERNET:HJR@DS.DK "RYAN, HENRY", INTERNET:HRYAN@ESSB.ENET.DEC.COM Australia, INTERNET:INTSECT@SAA.SA.TELEMEMO.AU "Van den Beld, Jan", INTERNET:JAN.VAN-DEN-BELD@ECMA.CH "Garner, Jennifer", INTERNET:JGARNER@ITIC.NW.DC.US "John.Bijlsma", INTERNET:JOHN.BIJLSMA@NNI.NL "Auber, Josee", INTERNET:JOSEE_AUBER@GRENOBLE.HP.COM "Emard, Jean-Paul (X3/JTC1 TAG)", INTERNET:JPEMARD@ITIC.NW.DC.US SC 2 Secretariat, INTERNET:JTC1-SC2@ECMA.CH "Wheeler, Jack (SC6 Chair)", INTERNET:JWHEEL@ATTMAIL.COM "Kimura, Toshiko (SC23 Sect.)", INTERNET:KIMURA@ITSCJ.IPSJ.OR.JP "Lindelien, Knut", INTERNET:KNUT.LINDELIEN@NTS.NO "Wakker, Willem (SGFS Chair)", INTERNET:COMP@KOMP.ACE.NL IEC, INTERNET:MCO@IEC.CH "Mita (Japan)", INTERNET:MITA@ITSCJ.IPSJ.OR.JP mondello, INTERNET:MONDELLO@OTOOA.ENET.DEC.COM "Hirose, Narumi (SC 29 Sec.)", INTERNET:NHIROSE@ATTMAIL.COM "Mitsuhashi, Dr. (SC23 Chair)", INTERNET:NSG20356@TAXP2.NSG.CO.JP "Bardenfleth, Ove", INTERNET:OBN@KTAS.DK "Jonas, Peter (Austria)", INTERNET:OENORM@ON.TELEBOX.ADA.AT "Passia, Krystyna (SC27 Sect.)", INTERNET:PASSIA@NI.DIN.DE "Bartoli, Paul (SC 21 Chair)", INTERNET:PBARTOLI@ATTMAIL.COM "Bessems, Peter", INTERNET:PETER.BESSEMS@NNI.NL "Prof. Popovic (SC 25 Chair)", INTERNET:POPOVIC@THEO.PHYS.UNI-BREMEN.DE "Mabbott, Richard (SC 17 Chair)", INTERNET:POSTMASTER@APACS.DEMON.CO.UK "Pritchard, Robert (SC 26Chair)", INTERNET:R.PRITCHARD@IEEE.ORG "Lloyd, Richard", INTERNET:R.V.S.LLOYD@X400.ICL.CO.UK "Reiss, Rudolf", INTERNET:RIESS@JOKUR.ENET.DEC.COM "Rinehuls, Bill (SC 22 Sec.)", INTERNET:RINEHULS@ACCESS.DIGEX.NET "Elofsson, Ronny (SC 14 Sec.)", INTERNET:RONNY.ELOFSSON@ITS.SE New Zealand, INTERNET:ROS@STANDARDS.SYNET.NET.NZ "Steinbrenner, Richard (SC11)", INTERNET:RSTEINBR@ATSMAIL.GC.LUCENT.COM "Sando, Hiroaki (Chair SC 15)", INTERNET:SANDO@SOWMEE.SOW.MELCO.CO.JP "Finland (SFS), Susanna Bairoh", INTERNET:SBAI@TELMO.FI SC 7 Secretariat, INTERNET:SC7@QC.BELL.CA "Jameson, Scott", INTERNET:SCOTT.JAMESON@LJO.DEC.COM "'Andre Bittencourt do Valle (Brazil)'", INTERNET:SIMPRO@AX.APC.ORG "FROST, TOM (SC 18 Chair)", INTERNET:TFROST@ATTMAIL.COM Iceland, INTERNET:TOBBI@ITI.IS "Scheiman, Teresa", INTERNET:TSCHEIMAN@MAIL.UC-COUNCIL.ORG "Hartmann U. ZFE GR TN", INTERNET:ULRICH.HARTMANN@ZFE.SIEMENS.DE Italy, INTERNET:UNINFO@POL88B.POLITO.IT "Wende, Ingo (DIN)", INTERNET:WENDE@NI.DIN.D400.DE Willem Wakker, INTERNET:WILLEMW@KOMP.ACE.NL "Koch, Werner", INTERNET:WKOCH@VNET.IBM.COM DATE: 17/09/96 16:29 RE: resend of previous message Sender: lrajchel@ansi.org Received: from mailserv.ansi.org (mailserv.ansi.org [165.254.114.3]) by hil-img-4.compuserve.com (8.6.10/5.950515) id LAA05017; Tue, 17 Sep 1996 11:15:40 -0400 Received: from micromail (micromail.ansi.org [199.224.9.37]) by mailserv.ansi.org (8.7.5/8.7.2) with SMTP id KAA27947; Tue, 17 Sep 1996 10:18:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: by micromail with Microsoft Mail id <323EB3AD@micromail>; Tue, 17 Sep 96 10:20:29 edt From: LISA RAJCHEL To: "JEAN SHILDNECK (SC 21 Sec)" , "MARISA TOPPING (SC 18 Sec)" , "STACY LEISTNER (SC6/SC11 Sec)" , "Yasuda, Hiroshi (SC 29Chair)" , George Sidey <100627.3226@compuserve.com>, "Haberman, Alan" , "Follett, Bob (SC 22 Chair)" To: "asa.forsberg" , Bruce Bargmeyer , Norway , "Blanchon, Elizabeth (SC1)" , "Viklund, Bo (Sweden)" , "Bousquet, Francoise" , "Brannon, Keith" To: "Carson, G.S. (SC 24 Chair)" , "Cheng, Amelie (SC1 Sec.)" , "Lawler, Mary Anne" , "Potter, Denis" <100271.1617@compuserve.com (Denis Potter)>, "Stride, Jean (SC 24 Sec)" <100434.3031@compuserve.com>, "Cote, Joe (SC 7 Chair)" , cowani To: "Brooks, David (UK)" , Doug Langlotz , "'Bennett, Freda'" , "Fujisaki, J. (SC 26 Sec)" , "Sidey, George" , "Lauri, Gino (SC 28 Chair)" , "Guillabert, Marie-Martine" To: ECMA , "Hittema, Tony (SC 30 Sec)" , "'Reuss, Hans (Denmark)'" , "RYAN, HENRY" , Australia , "Van den Beld, Jan" , "Garner, Jennifer" , "John.Bijlsma" To: "Auber, Josee" , "Emard, Jean-Paul (X3/JTC1 TAG)" , SC 2 Secretariat , "Wheeler, Jack (SC6 Chair)" , "Kimura, Toshiko (SC23 Sect.)" , "Lindelien, Knut" , "Wakker, Willem (SGFS Chair)" , IEC To: "Mita (Japan)" , mondello , "Hirose, Narumi (SC 29 Sec.)" , "Mitsuhashi, Dr. (SC23 Chair)" , "Bardenfleth, Ove" , "Jonas, Peter (Austria)" , "Passia, Krystyna (SC27 Sect.)" To: "Bartoli, Paul (SC 21 Chair)" , "Bessems, Peter" , "Prof. Popovic (SC 25 Chair)" , "Mabbott, Richard (SC 17 Chair)" , "Pritchard, Robert (SC 26Chair)" , "Lloyd, Richard" To: "Reiss, Rudolf" , "Rinehuls, Bill (SC 22 Sec.)" , "Elofsson, Ronny (SC 14 Sec.)" , New Zealand , "Steinbrenner, Richard (SC11)" , "Sando, Hiroaki (Chair SC 15)" To: "Finland (SFS), Susanna Bairoh" , SC 7 Secretariat , "Jameson, Scott" , "'Andre Bittencourt do Valle (Brazil)'" , "FROST, TOM (SC 18 Chair)" , Iceland , "Scheiman, Teresa" To: "Hartmann U. ZFE GR TN" , Italy , "Wende, Ingo (DIN)" , Willem Wakker , "Koch, Werner" Subject: resend of previous message Date: Tue, 17 Sep 96 10:19:00 edt Message-ID: <323EB3AD@micromail> Encoding: 149 TEXT X-Mailer: Microsoft Mail V3.0 The following information was sent yesterday, but it is unclear whether or not all of you received the information. Therefore, I am resending it to ensure delivery. ____________________________________________________________________________ __________________ As per resolution D of the July/August Ad Hoc meeting on JTC 1 reengineering (reference document JTC 1 N 4177), the National Body of France was asked to prepare a document by 15 September for JTC 1 National Body comment proposing a streamlined process for the maintenance of JTC 1 standards. This document is now attached as JTC 1 N 4221. National Bodies are asked to review this document and to submit comments by 15 October 1996 for review at the Oct/Nov Ad Hoc meeting on JTC 1 reengineering. Please be advised that this document is being forwarded via fax to those National Bodies who cannot receive email. However, it WILL NOT be redistributed on diskette. Thanks for your cooperation in meeting this tight schedule. Lisa Rajchel ____________________________________________________________________________ ______________________ Subject: JTC 1 re-engineering: AFNOR contribution on Standard maintenance Source: AFNOR The maintenance of its International Standards is one of the values of JTC 1 deliverables, an expectation from the international community and a differentiator when compared to some Consortia or de-facto standards. But the same business-like approach must be used for this product phase as for other phases of development. Once sufficient time has been allowed for a Standard to reach its general public and be put to practice, there should be user and industry interest for its maintenance (a sign of such inter est could be evidence of use, reception of defect reports or questions on a given Standard). Greater care should be applied to the decision to revise a Standard: when corresponding products are in use, are the potential modifications of the Standard worth the cost of developing a revised Standard, new products and putting new (different) products into usage? If JTC 1 wishes to make its Standards more accessible to its general public (the developers and users of products corresponding to its Standards), a way could be to allow them to submit defect reports or questions in a direct manner, without the requirement to go through a National Body or SC structure. The IEC is already using this in the form of a paper questionnaire appended to each of its publications. Electronic modes of operation seem here more appropriate, a small structure may be required to direct the question/problem from the generally accessible mailbox to the technical structure responsible for the subject matter. The structure used by JTC 1 to maintain its Standards should be minimal and adapted to the requirements. It must be flexible enough not to suffer from any potential re-organization of SCs and WGs around active development areas. It should be adapted to the lively nature of problems to be solved, revisions to be done: active when required, dormant otherwise. Its mode of operations should be largely electronic. While the technical community (standard developers, product developers, users) provides a pool of expertise to pull from, the required continuity of the maintenance process (tracking problems from submission to resolution) has to be assured. This a an area where JTC 1 processes could be made more flexible, to cover not only the case where existing JTC 1 structures (SC or WG Secretariats) are appropriate, but also cases where this is not or no longer appropriate, and the administration of the maintenance is taken over by a voluntary NB Secretariat or, if this was deem! ed useful, by a (new) dedicated J TTT TC 1 maintenance structure. The nature of maintenance activities differs in some aspects from what must be recognized as the mainstream JTC 1 activity, i.e., the active development of new Standards. For mature subject areas, where the activity is limited to correction of problems, when they appear, and minor extensions, when required, it should not come as a surprise that participation in "classical" standard development activities, such as participation in National and International meetings, is low. But the pool of expertise must exist somewhere, or there would be no need to maintain the Standard. Here are some suggestions on how the whole process could be viewed: the submission of problems or requests for enhancement should be open to a larger audience, and facilitated (e.g., direct access); the consensus building phase (how to respond to the request) should be relatively informal, make maximum use of IT & T tools, with experts that may not be Standards developers but still require a technical leader (the Defect Editor). It may not require the participation of 5 National Bodies, as expertise is more vital at this stage than large consensus (many problems have a limited range of solutions); the approval phase should continue to be via JTC 1 and SC National Body ballot. ____________________________________________________________________________ _____________________ ISO/IEC JTC 1 Information Technology ISO/IEC JTC 1 N 4221 DATE:1996.09.16 REPLACES DOC TYPE: National Body Contribution TITLE: AFNOR contribution to the JTC 1 Reengineering Ad Hoc on Standard Maintenance SOURCE: National Body of France PROJECT: STATUS: This document is circulated to JTC 1 National Bodies for comment by 15 October 1996. Comments received will be addressed at the Oct/Nov JTC 1 Ad Hoc meeting on JTC 1 Reengineering. ACTION ID: COM DUE DATE: 1996.10.15 DISTRIBUTION: P and L Members MEDIUM: E DISKETTE NO.: NO. 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