From rinehuls@Radix.Net Tue Nov 9 19:52:01 1999 Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by dkuug.dk (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id TAA06079; Tue, 9 Nov 1999 19:52:00 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from rinehuls@Radix.Net) Received: from saltmine.radix.net (saltmine.radix.net [207.192.128.40]) by mail1.radix.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id NAA26827; Tue, 9 Nov 1999 13:53:23 -0500 (EST) Date: Tue, 9 Nov 1999 13:53:20 -0500 (EST) From: William Rinehuls To: sc22info@dkuug.dk cc: keld simonsen Subject: N3032 - Norway Comments on SC22 Letter Ballot N2933 - FDIS 14651 - Method for Comparing Character Strings and Description of a Common Tailorable Ordering Template Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII ______________________ beginning of title page _________________________ ISO/IEC JTC 1/SC22 Programming languages, their environments and system software interfaces Secretariat: U.S.A. (ANSI) ISO/IEC JTC 1/SC22 N3032 TITLE: Comments Accompanying the Vote of Norway on SC22 Letter Ballot N2933 Received After Ballot Closure (Third FCD Ballot for FCD 14651: Information technology - International String Ordering and Comparison - Method for Comparing Character Strings and Description of a Common Tailorable Ordering Template) DATE ASSIGNED: 1999-11-09 SOURCE: Secretariat, ISO/IEC JTC 1/SC22 BACKWARD POINTER: N/A DOCUMENT TYPE: Member Body Vote PROJECT NUMBER: JTC 1.22.30.02.02 STATUS: N/A ACTION IDENTIFIER: FYI to SC22 Member Bodies ACT to WG20 DUE DATE: N/A DISTRIBUTION: Text CROSS REFERENCE: N2933, N3025 DISTRIBUTION FORM: Defined Address reply to: ISO/IEC JTC 1/SC22 Secretariat William C. Rinehuls 8457 Rushing Creek Court SPringfield, VA 22153 USA Telephone: +1 (703) 912-9680 Fax: +1 (703) 912-2973 email: rinehuls@radix.net ____________ end of title page; beginning of comments ________________ Date: Tue, 09 Nov 1999 08:16:05 +0100 From: Ulf Leirstein Subject: Earlier vote from Norway on document N2933 Comments accompanying the Norwegian "yes" vote on FCD 14651.3 as contained in SC22 N2933: no.1 Cl 2: conforming applications must support "backward" at level 2. no.2 Cl 6.1 note 1: There are no equivalence defined between combining sequences and other characters in UCS, and there should not be. Please reword the note: "If some near-equivalence is intended between combining...." no.3 cl 6.2.2.3 How are positions counted? As collating_elements, or as characters? no.4 cl 6.2.2 A statement that key generation and comparison can be on-the-fly should be reinstalled, as per the FCD.2 no.5 cl 6.3.2 WF3 This should not be true, the undefined levels should be filled in with the key as a weight, as in POSIX. no.6 cl 6.3.2 WF4 All tables shall have a order_start statement. Delete note. no.7 cl 6.3.2 WF6 A symbol_group can consist of just one symbol_element. Furthermore there may be weights with 2 elements on level 2 and 3 and then level 4 is only one element. Please delete rule. no.8 cl 6.3.2 WF12 It should not be needed to exclude hex_uppers, and the strings should be of equal length. Please refer to 14652 definiton of the same issue. no.9 cl 6.3.2 WF13 The two first words do not read. no.10 cl 6.4 It should be possible to conform to just the syntax of the standard, eg a POSIX LC_COLLATE should be able to be conformant - even if does not relate to the CTT by a delta. no.11 cl A Control characters must have a weight value, to ensure deterministic behaviour. Possibly at level 4. This is also to ensure compatibility with industry practice as given i X/Open and POSIX collection localles. no.12 cl A B WITH HOOK, TOPBAR, C WITH HOOK, D WITH STROKE etc needs to be sorted with their base letters, to follow industry practice (POSIX collection, 15897 practice, X/Open) no.13 Cl A Sxxx identifiers must be replaced with identifiers that be stable over different editions of 14651, to ensure maximum reusablilty of deltas for all editions of 14651. Industry practice is to se names like or the most prominent form of the base letter/character. no.14 cl A Greek should not use same accents as Latin, so change AIGUT, GRAVE, TREMA, BREVE, MACRO etc. to the corresponding Greek accents. This is needed to ensure culturally correct Greek ordering. ________________________ end of SC22 N3032 __________________________