From rinehuls@Radix.Net Fri Sep 10 00:21:06 1999 Received: from mail1.radix.net (mail1.radix.net [207.192.128.31]) by dkuug.dk (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id AAA07412; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 00:21:06 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from rinehuls@Radix.Net) Received: from saltmine.radix.net (saltmine.radix.net [207.192.128.40]) by mail1.radix.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id SAA28404; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 18:21:50 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 9 Sep 1999 18:21:48 -0400 (EDT) From: William Rinehuls To: sc22info@dkuug.dk cc: keld simonsen Subject: N2993 - Japan Request for Discussion of CD/FCD Processing - PLENARY AGENDA ITEM Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII ____________________ beginning of title page _________________________ ISO/IEC JTC 1/SC22 Programming languages, their environments and system software interfaces Secretariat: U.S.A. (ANSI) ISO/IEC JTC 1/SC22 N2993 TITLE: Japan Member Body Request for Discusion of CD/FCD Processing - PLENARY AGENDA ITEM DATE ASSIGNED: 1999-09-09 SOURCE: Secretariat, ISO/IEC JTC 1/SC22 BACKWARD POINTER: N/A DOCUMENT TYPE: Other PROJECT NUMBER: N/A STATUS: Discussion of this document will be an agenda item for the September 1999 JTC 1/SC22 Plenary. ACTION IDENTIFIER: FYI DUE DATE: N/A DISTRIBUTION: text CROSS REFERENCE: N/A DISTRIBUTION FORM: Def Address reply to: ISO/IEC JTC 1/SC22 Secretariat William C. Rinehuls 8457 Rushing Creek Court Springfield, VA 22153 USA Telephone: +1 (703) 912-9680 Fax: +1 (703) 912-2973 email: rinehuls@radix.net ____________ end of title page; beginning of document _________________ Dear Mr. Secretary, This is a request for discussion in the plenary meeting. KAKEHI Katsuhiko Chairman of Japan's JTC1/SC22 ----------- Request for discussion on WG20's repeated FCD ballots SC22-Japan requests SC22 plenary to discuss about the problems in the repeated FCD ballots for ISO/IEC 14651 and 14652 and to make advice to WG20 if necessary. The main problem in those ballots is not the repetition of FCD ballots but the numerousness of non-trivial comments from the National Bodies in each ballot in spite of the repeated FCD stages. NOTE: SC22-Japan was instructed to examine the above-mentioned problems by its upperbody -- ITSCJ (Information Technology Standards Commission of Japan) Technical Committee when the drafts of the second FCD ballots for 14651 and 14652 proposed by SC22-Japan were reviewed by the Technical Committee. As long as SC22-Japan investigated with its experts for WG20, there is some reasons for this problem: 1) the projects attracted the wide interests when they got into the FCD stage and many constructive contributions were attached to the ballot, 2) non-negligible number of the NB's comments were disposed as "Accepted in principle" without the detail -- with the lack of time, the disposition experts could not agree on the replacement text and more comments came in the next ballot, 3) some dispositions of the comments only said "Not accepted" without any rationale -- the comments were repeated in the next ballot, 4) as there were no indications whether the dispositions were made unanimously or not -- this way of disposing concealed the true status of the comments and prevented interim study of non-unanimously disposed comments, If the considerations above are admitted, SC22-Japan proposes SC22 to make advice to WG20 as follows: a) WG20 is encouraged to reconsider the schedules for revising documents -- if WG meetings will be held every six months, the FCD balloting taking four months leaves too short time for disposing and drafting, b) WG20 is encouraged to try to make disposition documents which will not reject NB comments without rationale and make explicit whether each disposition is made unanimously or still leaves some disagreements. If the advice is given to WG20, WG20 is expected to report about validity of the advice at the next SC22 plenary. ____________________________ end of SC22 N2993 _______________________