From rinehuls@access.digex.net Tue May 28 18:49:18 1996 Received: from access2.digex.net (qlrhmEbBUV1EY@access2.digex.net [205.197.245.193]) by dkuug.dk (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id SAA12263 for ; Tue, 28 May 1996 18:49:14 +0200 Received: from localhost (rinehuls@localhost) by access2.digex.net (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id MAA04614 ; for ; Tue, 28 May 1996 12:48:52 -0400 Date: Tue, 28 May 1996 12:48:51 -0400 (EDT) From: "william c. rinehuls" X-Sender: rinehuls@access2.digex.net Reply-To: "william c. rinehuls" To: sc22docs@dkuug.dk Subject: Document SC22 N2156 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII ISO/IEC JTC 1/SC22 Programming languages, their environments and system software interfaces Secretariat: U.S.A. (ANSI) ISO/IEC JTC 1/SC22 N2156 June 1996 TITLE: Summary of Voting on PDAM Registration for: ISO/ IEC 9945-2 - Portable Operating System Interface (POSIX), Part 2: Shell and Utilities - Amendment 2 SOURCE: Secretariat, ISO/IEC JTC 1/SC22 WORK ITEM: JTC 1.22.41 STATUS: N/A CROSS REFERENCE: SC22 N1896, N2054 DOCUMENT TYPE: Summary of Voting ACTION: The PDAM has been registered. To SC22 Member Bodies for information. To SC22/WG15 for consideration of comments accompanying the negative vote from Denmark, preparation of a Disposition of Comments Report, and recommendation on further processing of the PDAM. Address reply to: ISO/IEC JTC 1/SC22 Secretariat William C. Rinehuls 8457 Rushing Creek Court Springfield, VA 22153 USA Tel: +1 (703) 912-9680 Fax: +1 (703) 912-2973 email : rinehuls@access.digex.net __________________________________________________________________________ SUMMARY OF VOTING ON Letter Ballot Reference No: SC22 N2054 Circulated by: JTC 1/SC22 Circulation Date: 1996-01-16 Closing Date: 1996-05-15 SUBJECT: PDAM Registration for: ISO/IEC 9945-2 - Portable Operating System Interface (POSIX) Part 2: Shell and Utilities - Amendment 2 The following responses have been received on the subject of registration: 'P' Members supporting registration without comment 15 'P' Members supporting registration with comment 0 'P' Members not supporting registration 1 'P' Members abstaining: 0 'P' Members not voting: 5 Secretariat Action: The PDAM has been registered. The Secretariat has notified the SC22/WG15 Convener of this action and forwarded the comments for WG15 consideration. ____________________________________________________________________________ ISO/IEC JTC1/SC22 LETTER BALLOT SUMMARY PROJECT NO: JTC1.22.41 SUBJECT: PDAM registration for: ISO/IEC 9945-2 - Portable Operating System Interface (POSIX) Part 2: Shell and Utilities - Amendment 2 Reference Document No: N1896, N2054 Ballot Document No: N2054 Circulation Date:01-16-96 Closing Date: 05-15-96 Circulated To: SC22 P, O, L Circulated By: Secretariat SUMMARY OF VOTING AND COMMENTS RECEIVED Approve Disapprove Abstain Comments Not Voting 'P' Members Australia (X) ( ) ( ) ( ) ( ) Austria ( ) ( ) ( ) ( ) (X) Belgium ( ) ( ) ( ) ( ) (X) Brazil (X) ( ) ( ) ( ) ( ) Canada (X) ( ) ( ) ( ) ( ) China ( ) ( ) ( ) ( ) (X) Czech Republic (X) ( ) ( ) ( ) ( ) Denmark ( ) (X) ( ) (X) ( ) Egypt ( ) ( ) ( ) ( ) (X) Finland (X) ( ) ( ) ( ) ( ) France (X) ( ) ( ) ( ) ( ) Germany (X) ( ) ( ) ( ) ( ) Japan (X) ( ) ( ) ( ) ( ) Netherlands (X) ( ) ( ) ( ) ( ) Romania ( ) ( ) ( ) ( ) (X) Slovenia (X) ( ) ( ) ( ) ( ) Sweden (X) ( ) ( ) ( ) ( ) Switzerland (X) ( ) ( ) ( ) ( ) UK (X) ( ) ( ) ( ) ( ) Ukraine (X) ( ) ( ) ( ) ( ) USA (X) ( ) ( ) ( ) ( ) 'O' Members Argentina ( ) ( ) ( ) ( ) ( ) Bulgaria ( ) ( ) ( ) ( ) ( ) Cuba ( ) ( ) ( ) ( ) ( ) Greece ( ) ( ) ( ) ( ) ( ) Hungary ( ) ( ) ( ) ( ) ( ) Iceland ( ) ( ) ( ) ( ) ( ) India ( ) ( ) ( ) ( ) ( ) Indonesia ( ) ( ) ( ) ( ) ( ) Italy ( ) ( ) ( ) ( ) ( ) Korea Rep (X) ( ) ( ) ( ) ( ) New Zealand ( ) ( ) ( ) ( ) ( ) Norway ( ) ( ) ( ) ( ) ( ) Poland ( ) ( ) ( ) ( ) ( ) Portugal ( ) ( ) (X) ( ) ( ) Russian fed ( ) ( ) ( ) ( ) ( ) Singapore ( ) ( ) ( ) ( ) ( ) Thailand ( ) ( ) ( ) ( ) ( ) Turkey ( ) ( ) ( ) ( ) ( ) Yugoslavia ( ) ( ) ( ) ( ) ( ) ____________________________________________________________________________ Title: DS ballot on SC22 N2054 PDAM on POSIX shell and Utilities .2b/D11 Date: 1996-05-15 Danish Standards votes "no" on the document N2054. This is because a number of major comments from DS have not been accomodated in the draft. Addressing the following comments adequately will reverse our vote ot a "yes" vote. The document numbers in the following are ISO/IEC JTC1/SC22/WG15 numbers unless otherwise noted. Input as requested in .2b The following refers to request noted in 1003.2b/D10, these references were removed without the concensus of WG15. 1. Page 7, line 82: Extended identifiers. A number of documents have been presented. WG15 liaison statement N283 to WG20 have been approved. WG20 has made a recommendation that DS can support in N420. 2. Page 10, line 185: Substitute We believe 1003.2/D8 section 2.5.2.2 has the most recent text. 3. Page 10, line 190: replace-after A number of documents have been presented, the most recent is from CEN including the "reorder-after" description in N566 annex E. 4. ISO 646 invariant support Page 12, line 263: Page 17, line 1: Page 19, line 2: Page 19, line 7: Page 120, line 21: Page 120, line 26: The DS input is N416. 3. Other input: There are other papers that we think are accomodated in .2b. 5. N441: character concepts in POSIX standards This paper recommends multibyte characters as the general coded character set type. 6. N558: In response to AI 9410-27, 9 issues are listed. Proposals include reference to CEN registry. In response to AI 9410-35, 5 comments were listed. Proposed are: 1. repertoiremap as in CEN registry 2. comments in localedef collating weight statements 3. use repertoiremaps with locales and charmaps 7. N561: Proposes new utilities for 1. compression, ala "gzip" 2. editing, a better utility than "vi" 3. versioning, ala "sccs" 8. In addition we ask for support for language dependent character conversion and transliteration faclities. 9. We need support for character code switching mechanisms for charmap or better a encoding definition file, for IS 2022 support. 10. We need support for symbolic ellipses in the locale. A proposal was included in the DS comments on the DIS ballot on ISO/IEC 9945-1. 11. We need support for hexadecimal symbolic elipses in the locale and charmaps. 12. The document sould be aligned as much as possible with the specification standard ISO/IEC 14652, currently at CD stage. Editorial comments. Danish Standards has the following editorial comments on the P103.2b/D11 document. @ 2.2 c 1 2.2.3.201 The SC2 name is "UTF-8" with a hyphen. Please refer to the standard, it has recently been approved as an IS. @ 2.4 c 2 We do not see what the revised wording accomplishes, what it says is that you can have names like or but that was already the case. See our comments on the localedef utility. @ 2.4 o 3 2.4.1 WIDTH, WIDTH_VARIABLE, WIDTH_DEFAULT statements should be in the locale definition, as it is not coded related, but character related. For example the character is present in a number of coded character sets, including IS 10656, JIS X0208, GB2312 and KSC 5601. So this is independent of coding and a property of an abstract character, and the right place is then in the locale, possibly in LC_CTYPE. The WIDTH etc can also be used to represent fonts, and then it should be the same regardless of the coded character set, for example an in ASCII or ISO 8859-1 or ISO 8859-2 has the same properties in the Helvetica font. @ 2.5 o 4 2.5.2.2.4 - we do not understand why coding of NUL was retained, as the standard should cater for other languages than C, and not impose C ideosyncraziees on the other languages. @ 2.8 o 5 line 379: The range experssion should not be dependent on the collation element order, but rather the result of the comparison using the relevant collation. Using the collating element order is not proper, and confusing to users that only has expectations as defiend by the collation rules. @ 4.35 o 6 line 1102: We should use the repertoiremap files as requested by WG20, Denmark and Canada, and defined by CEN and X/Open. The repertoiremap files should be used on the localedef command line to in a well-defined way be able to use locales and charmaps using diferent symbolic character notations. Two new options are proposed: -l repertoire_name Specify the name of a repertoiremap for mapping the locale symbolic character names to IS 10646 -r repertoire_name Specify the name of a repertoiremap for mapping the charmap symbolic character names to IS 10646 The -u option should be removed as the above covers the same functionality in a much more well defined way, and as much data for this is available. A naming conviention should be introduced to reference standard locales, charmaps and repertoiremaps from the international cultural conventions registry, for example introduced by the three letters "std". @ 4.48 o 7 Line 2150: the name should be "codeset" not "charset" - we are talking about coded character sets, not the character sets which is without coding, acording to SC2 terminology. Line 2155: plese do not use the term "ISO-IR" as this means ISO International Registry , as done in ISO 2375, and what you refer to on the following is not IS 2375 entries. For example UTF-8 is not in the IS 2375 registry. If you use just "ISO" or "ISO/IEC" or "IS" it would be fine. We would suggest that you use a notation as close as possible to the ISO naming, for example "ISO 8859- 1:1987" - not just spaces. It would be preferrable that such an item could be specified as just one token in a shell command line, and it is proposed to use for . Alignment with the forthcoming international registry that includes POSIX charmaps is requested. Please use "UTF-8" instead of "UTF8", and please specify wheather it is UCS2 or UCS4, and possibly also the endianness, not just ISO 10646. @ D.1 c 8 Annex D: a new RFC is available in RFC 1521 end of document