N 4117-Japanese Contribution to the September 2006 SC 22 = Plenary

From owner-sc22docs@open-std.org Mon Aug 21 14:54:32 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sc22docs-domo3 Delivered-To: sc22docs-domo3@open-std.org Received: by open-std.org (Postfix, from userid 521) id 22E1421786; Mon, 21 Aug 2006 14:54:32 +0200 (CET DST) X-Original-To: sc22info@open-std.org Delivered-To: sc22docs@open-std.org Received: from 0e0mail1.ansi.org (outbound.ansi.org [12.15.192.5]) by open-std.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4B2C52173E for ; Mon, 21 Aug 2006 14:54:31 +0200 (CET DST) Received: by EMAIL1 with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Mon, 21 Aug 2006 08:50:39 -0400 Message-ID: From: Sally Seitz To: sc22info@open-std.org Subject: N 4117-Japanese Contribution to the September 2006 SC 22 Plenary Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2006 08:50:39 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C6C520.6765079C" Sender: owner-sc22docs@open-std.org Precedence: bulk This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C6C520.6765079C Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable ISO/IEC JTC 1/SC22 Programming languages, their environments and system software = interfaces Secretariat:=A0 U.S.A.=A0 (ANSI) =A0 ISO/IEC JTC 1/SC22 N4117 =A0 TITLE: Japanese Contribution to the September 2006 SC 22 Plenary DATE ASSIGNED: 2006-08-21 =A0 SOURCE: Japan National Body BACKWARD POINTER: N/A =A0 DOCUMENT TYPE: National Body Contribution PROJECT NUMBER: N/A =A0 STATUS: This document will be discussed at the upcoming SC 22 Plenary under = agenda items 11.6 and 11.8.=A0=20 ACTION IDENTIFIER: FYI =A0 DUE DATE: =A0=20 DISTRIBUTION: text CROSS REFERENCE: =A0 DISTRIBUTION FORM: Def =A0 Address reply to: ISO/IEC JTC 1/SC22 Secretariat Sally Seitz ANSI 25 West 43rd Street New York, NY=A0 10036 Telephone:=A0 (212) 642-4918 Fax:=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 (212) 840-2298 Email:=A0 sseitz@ansi.org _______________________________________end of cover sheet, beginning = of document__________________________ National Body of Japan Contribution to the JTC 1/SC 22 Plenary Issue 1. Periodical review of SC22 membership SC22 has suffered from the 50% rule. Several recent ballots in SC22, = for example N4013 (disbandment of WG3 - APL) and N4015 (approval of 05-30a = - 15897), failed because the number of voting countries was less than 50% = of the number of P members. In order to avoid such undesirable results, = SC22 has long been asking JTC1 to remove those countries not responding to = SC22 ballots from the list of SC22 P members. This request was recently implemented, and the number of P members is = now 18, which was 21 before this action. The newest ballot, N4067 (approval of 05-30b - 15897) escaped from the failure. However, our situation is not quite safe. The number of voting = countries for N4067 was 10 (the number reported in N4067 is not correct, since it includes an O member). 10/18 is more than 50%, but the margin is not = large. If two countries accidentally failed to vote, SC22 ballots will easily = fail. This seems to be dangerous for us. Japan proposes to constantly review the voting status of current P = members, and to change the status of not voting countries if any. Never ending periodical review is essential. The desirable time interval would be = one year or two years. Issue 2. Transfer of 15897 to SC35 Japan objects to Canada's proposal to transfer 15897 to SC35. ISO/IEC 15897 (Procedures for Registration of Cultural Elements), which = was initially a fast track proposal from CEN, defines registration = mechanisms for locales. These locales are supposed to be referred to by operating systems such as Posix. Therefore, its scope is within that of SC22 (programming languages, their environments and system software = interfaces). It is not reasonable to transfer a project within SC22's scope to = another SC. If it is implemented, SC22's action would be constrained by the decision made in another SC. This is curious, and is not acceptable = for us. If it is really desirable to transfer 15897 to SC35, Japan recommends = to firstly cancel the current project, and to propose a new project in = SC35. In this case, the scope of the new project should be an appropriate one = for the scope of SC35, which is user interface. SC22 has experiences to transfer projects to SC2. However, the scope = of those projects transferred was really within that of SC2. Annex A of ISO/IEC TR 10176 was transferred, but this is the definition of a = certain character sets closely related to ISO/IEC 10646 which is maintained by = SC2. ISO/IEC 14651 (international string ordering and comparison - method = for comparing character strings and description of the common template tailorable ordering) was also transferred. This standard defines the comparison methods for characters and strings, which is naturally = considered to be in the scope of SC2. =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D Sally Seitz Program Manager American National Standards Institute 25 West 43rd Street, 4th Floor New York, NY 10036 Tel: 212 642 4918 Fax: 212 840 2298 ------_=_NextPart_001_01C6C520.6765079C Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable N 4117-Japanese Contribution to the September 2006 SC 22 = Plenary

ISO/IEC JTC 1/SC22
Programming languages, their environments and system = software interfaces
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ISO/IEC JTC 1/SC22 N4117
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TITLE:
Japanese Contribution to the September 2006 SC 22 = Plenary

DATE ASSIGNED:
2006-08-21
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Japan National Body

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National Body Contribution

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This document will be discussed at the upcoming SC = 22 Plenary under agenda items 11.6 and 11.8.=A0

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Address reply to:
ISO/IEC JTC 1/SC22 Secretariat
Sally Seitz
ANSI
25 West 43rd Street
New York, NY=A0 10036
Telephone:=A0 (212) 642-4918
Fax:=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 (212) = 840-2298
Email:=A0 sseitz@ansi.org
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National Body of Japan Contribution to the JTC 1/SC = 22 Plenary

Issue 1. Periodical review of SC22 = membership

SC22 has suffered from the 50% rule. Several = recent ballots in SC22, for example N4013 (disbandment of WG3 - APL) = and N4015 (approval of 05-30a - 15897), failed because the number of = voting countries was less than 50% of the number of P members. In = order to avoid such undesirable results, SC22 has long been asking JTC1 = to remove those countries not responding to SC22 ballots from the list = of SC22 P members.

This request was recently implemented, and the number = of P members is now 18, which was 21 before this action. The = newest ballot,

N4067 (approval of 05-30b - 15897) escaped from the = failure.

However, our situation is not quite safe. The = number of voting countries for N4067 was 10 (the number reported in = N4067 is not correct, since it includes an O member). 10/18 is = more than 50%, but the margin is not large. If two countries = accidentally failed to vote, SC22 ballots will easily fail. This = seems to be dangerous for us.

Japan proposes to constantly review the voting status = of current P members, and to change the status of not voting countries = if any. Never ending periodical review is essential. The = desirable time interval would be one year or two years.

Issue 2. Transfer of 15897 to SC35

Japan objects to Canada's proposal to transfer 15897 = to SC35.

ISO/IEC 15897 (Procedures for Registration of = Cultural Elements), which was initially a fast track proposal from CEN, = defines registration mechanisms for locales. These locales are = supposed to be referred to by operating systems such as Posix. = Therefore, its scope is within that of SC22 (programming languages, = their environments and system software interfaces).

It is not reasonable to transfer a project within = SC22's scope to another SC. If it is implemented, SC22's action = would be constrained by the decision made in another SC. This is = curious, and is not acceptable for us.

If it is really desirable to transfer 15897 to SC35, = Japan recommends to firstly cancel the current project, and to propose = a new project in SC35.

In this case, the scope of the new project should be = an appropriate one for the scope of SC35, which is user = interface.

SC22 has experiences to transfer projects to = SC2. However, the scope of those projects transferred was really = within that of SC2. Annex A of ISO/IEC TR 10176 was transferred, = but this is the definition of a certain character sets closely related = to ISO/IEC 10646 which is maintained by SC2. ISO/IEC 14651 = (international string ordering and comparison - method for comparing = character strings and description of the common template tailorable = ordering) was also transferred. This standard defines the = comparison methods for characters and strings, which is naturally = considered to be in the scope of SC2.

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Sally Seitz
Program Manager
American National Standards Institute
25 West 43rd Street, 4th Floor
New York, NY 10036
Tel: 212 642 4918
Fax: 212 840 2298

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