From owner-sc22docs@open-std.org Fri Mar 11 14:49:06 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sc22docs-domo Delivered-To: sc22docs-domo@open-std.org Received: by open-std.org (Postfix, from userid 521) id 1FE4CDD81; Fri, 11 Mar 2005 14:49:06 +0100 (CET) X-Original-To: sc22info@open-std.org Delivered-To: sc22docs@open-std.org Received: from email1.ansi.org (outbound.ansi.org [12.15.192.5]) by open-std.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8B754DD80 for ; Fri, 11 Mar 2005 14:49:04 +0100 (CET) Received: by rpb2.nycrnybb.ispnetinc.net with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id <19J14LPN>; Fri, 11 Mar 2005 08:47:20 -0500 Message-ID: From: Sally Seitz To: sc22info@open-std.org Subject: N 3876-Japanese Contribution to the March 2005 ISO/IEC JTC 1/SC 2 2 I18NRG Meeting Date: Fri, 11 Mar 2005 08:47:20 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C52640.D88D0490" Sender: owner-sc22docs@open-std.org Precedence: bulk This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C52640.D88D0490 Content-Type: text/plain ISO/IEC JTC 1/SC22 Programming languages, their environments and system software interfaces Secretariat: U.S.A. (ANSI) ISO/IEC JTC 1/SC22 N 3876 TITLE: Japanese Contribution to the March 2005 ISO/IEC JTC 1/SC 22 I18NRG Meeting DATE ASSIGNED: 2005-03-11 SOURCE: Japanese National Body BACKWARD POINTER: DOCUMENT TYPE: National Body Contribution PROJECT NUMBER: STATUS: This document will be reviewed at the upcoming I18NRG meeting. ACTION IDENTIFIER: FYI DUE DATE: DISTRIBUTION: Text CROSS REFERENCE: DISTRIBUTION FORM: open Sally Seitz ANSI 25 West 43rd Street New York, NY 10036 Telephone: (212) 642-4918 Fax: (212) 840-2298 Email: sseitz@ansi.org ----------___________end of cover page, beginning of document_____________________ Japanese position for the I18NRG meeting. Date: 2005-03-08 ============================================================================ === We appreciate the contribution of WG20 for preparing standards for internationalization businesses. Language WGs can now define their internationalization facilities utilizing these standards. But the situation around us has been changed. The character handling, which has been the most important internationalization theme in SC22, is moved to SC2. Annex A of TR 10176 will be amended to reflect additions of characters made by SC2, after SC2 creates a means to specify the set of recommended characters for identifiers. Other issues handled by WG20 seem to have less connection with the works of language WGs. Internationalization standards are valuable only if they are referred to in some standards of concrete entities such as programming languages, operating systems, etc. We do not like to have internationalization standards for their own sake. Each programming language has its own interests in internationalization. Some of them want to have maximum internationalization facilities, but some prefer to stay as a common language without any localized deviations. Thus we do not anticipate the need for internationalization standards in SC 22 prepared independently of programming languages, such as ones developed by WG20. The remaining projects handled by WG20 have become outdated and inactive. TR 14652 is too controversial to stand as an international standard. IS 15897, which highly relies on the TR, has lost interests; no action was taken for the standard after its FCD comment disposition meeting held in October 2003. We see no new proposals in these 10 years other than cultural convention and string ordering. Based on these observations, we consider that a permanent committee which plays an active role in proposing, designing and defining language independent internationalization facilities is no more needed. SC22 disbanded WG20 in its 2004 Plenary. Moreover, we propose to cancel all the projects of WG20, which have been moved to SC22 in its 2004 Plenary, at this time. In the future, needs for a forum of internationalization may arise. Language WGs may like to have advices on internationalization facilities, multiple WGs may have a common problem related to internationalization, etc. In such cases, a language WG can propose the formation of I18NRG in an SC22 Plenary and can have its recommendations before the next SC22 Plenary. I18NRG should have a passive status, not an active self-defining status. Sally Seitz Program Manager ANSI 25 West 43rd Street New York, NY 10036 Phone: (212) 642-4918 Fax: (212) 840-2298 ------_=_NextPart_001_01C52640.D88D0490 Content-Type: text/html Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

ISO/IEC JTC = 1/SC22

Programming languages, their environments = and system software interfaces

Secretariat:  U.S.A.  = (ANSI)

 

ISO/IEC JTC 1/SC22 N = 3876

 

TITLE:

Japanese Contribution to the March 2005 = ISO/IEC JTC 1/SC 22 I18NRG Meeting

 

DATE ASSIGNED:

2005-03-11

 

SOURCE:

Japanese National = Body

 

BACKWARD = POINTER:

 

 

DOCUMENT TYPE:

National Body = Contribution

 

PROJECT NUMBER:

 

STATUS:

This = document will be reviewed at the upcoming I18NRG meeting. 

 

 

ACTION = IDENTIFIER:

FYI

 

DUE DATE:

 

 

DISTRIBUTION:

Text

 

CROSS = REFERENCE:

 

DISTRIBUTION = FORM:

open

 

Sally = Seitz

ANSI

25 West 43rd = Street

New York, NY  10036

Telephone:  (212) = 642-4918

Fax:          &n= bsp;  (212) 840-2298

Email:  sseitz@ansi.org

 

­­­­­­­­­­___________end= of cover page, beginning of = document_____________________

 

Japanese position for the I18NRG = meeting.

Date: 2005-03-08

 

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We appreciate the contribution of WG20 for preparing standards = for

internationalization businesses.  Language WGs can now = define their

internationalization facilities utilizing these = standards.

 

But the situation around us has been changed.  The = character handling,

which has been the most important internationalization theme in = SC22,

is moved to SC2.  Annex A of TR 10176 will be amended to = reflect

additions of characters made by SC2, after SC2 creates a means = to

specify the set of recommended characters for = identifiers.

 

Other issues handled by WG20 seem to have less connection with = the

works of language WGs.  Internationalization standards are valuable

only if they are referred to in some standards of concrete = entities

such as programming languages, operating systems, etc.  We = do not like

to have internationalization standards for their own = sake.

 

Each programming language has its own interests = in

internationalization.  Some of them want to have = maximum

internationalization facilities, but some prefer to stay as a = common

language without any localized deviations.  Thus we do not anticipate

the need for internationalization standards in SC 22 = prepared

independently of programming languages, such as ones developed = by

WG20.

 

The remaining projects handled by WG20 have become outdated = and

inactive.  TR 14652 is too controversial to stand as an international

standard.  IS 15897, which highly relies on the TR, has = lost

interests; no action was taken for the standard after its FCD = comment

disposition meeting held in October 2003.  We see no new = proposals in

these 10 years other than cultural convention and string = ordering.

 

Based on these observations, we consider that a permanent = committee

which plays an active role in proposing, designing and = defining

language independent internationalization facilities is no = more

needed.  SC22 disbanded WG20 in its 2004 = Plenary.

 

Moreover, we propose to cancel all the projects of WG20, which = have

been moved to SC22 in its 2004 Plenary, at this = time.

 

In the future, needs for a forum of internationalization may = arise.

Language WGs may like to have advices on = internationalization

facilities, multiple WGs may have a common problem related = to

internationalization, etc.  In such cases, a language WG = can propose

the formation of I18NRG in an SC22 Plenary and can have = its

recommendations before the next SC22 = Plenary.

 

I18NRG should have a passive status, not an active = self-defining

status.

 

 

Sally = Seitz

Program = Manager

ANSI

25 = West 43rd Street

New = York, NY 10036<= /p>

Phone: (212) 642-4918

Fax: (212) 840-2298

 

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