From owner-sc22docs@dkuug.dk Mon Sep 8 15:31:28 2003 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by dkuug.dk (8.12.8p1/8.9.2) id h88DVSIZ079012 for sc22docs-domo; Mon, 8 Sep 2003 15:31:28 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from owner-sc22docs@dkuug.dk) X-Authentication-Warning: ptah.dkuug.dk: majordom set sender to owner-sc22docs@dkuug.dk using -f Received: from email1.ansi.org ([12.15.192.5]) by dkuug.dk (8.12.8p1/8.9.2) with ESMTP id h88DVNCp079001 for ; Mon, 8 Sep 2003 15:31:24 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from mdeane@ansi.org) Received: by EMAIL1 with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Mon, 8 Sep 2003 09:22:56 -0400 Message-ID: From: Matthew Deane To: "'SC 22 Distribution List'" Subject: SC 22 N 3642 - Canadian National Body Report to the SC 22 Plenary Date: Mon, 8 Sep 2003 09:22:56 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: owner-sc22docs@dkuug.dk Precedence: bulk ISO/IEC JTC 1/SC22 Programming languages, their environments and system software interfaces Secretariat: U.S.A. (ANSI) ISO/IEC JTC 1/SC22 N3642 TITLE: Canadian National Body Report to the SC 22 Plenary DATE ASSIGNED: 2003-09-08 SOURCE: Canadian National Body BACKWARD POINTER: DOCUMENT TYPE: National Body Contribution PROJECT NUMBER: STATUS: As this document was received after the 15 August deadline, it will be reviewed at the upcoming SC 22 Plenary under Agenda Item 7.1 pending approval for addition to the agenda. ACTION IDENTIFIER: FYI DUE DATE: DISTRIBUTION: Text CROSS REFERENCE: DISTRIBUTION FORM: Def Matt Deane ANSI 25 West 43rd Street New York, NY 10036 Telephone: (212) 642-4992 Fax: (212) 840-2298 Email: mdeane@ansi.org ___end of cover page, beginning of document____ National Body Contribution to ISO/IEC/JTC1/SC22 2003 Plenary Canada supports ISO/IEC/JTC1/SC22 activities through a mirror group called CAC-JTC1-SC22, chaired by S. Michell. We are active in the following WG's WG 3 APL WG 5 Fortran WG 9 Ada WG14 C WG 15 POSIX WG 20 Internationalization WG21 C++ Linux Study Group We are concerned about the lack of new projects, and about our difficulty to effectively review standards submitted for fast track balloting, especially when SC22 does not create a WG to manage the process. We see that part of the difficulty is PAS submitter's desire to keep control of the work that they have done, but we also believe that JTC1's requirement that WG's produce documents to justify an NP is a significant part of the difficulty. This summer we attempted to create an NP for Linux in conjunction with the Linux Standards Base (LSB). While LSB is supportive of SC22 involvement, they refuse to let JTC1 take ownership of the document, in part because they feel that our processes are too slow. We can use the UK's TR as a justification for a WG, but we need a motion to JTC1 asking for a new category of WP to support work that is the subject of a PAS. We also wish a motion that JTC1 make it a matter of policy that, at the request of an SC, any document that is a subject of a fast-track will have an SC/WG formed to review and participate in the maintenance of the document, even if the maintenance remains with the PAS submitter, and that JTC1 will negotiate a formal liaison with PAS submitter to give the SC/WG a voice in the process. We do not support the motion to terminate WG15 at the same time that we are considering making a new WG for Linux, which is almost-POSIX. We wish to see the two groups combined in one WG, either WG15 or in a new WG.