From alb@riq.qc.ca Wed Aug 20 04:57:12 1997 Received: from socrate.riq.qc.ca (socrate.riq.qc.ca [199.84.128.1]) by dkuug.dk (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id EAA12288; Wed, 20 Aug 1997 04:57:09 +0200 Received: from 571 by socrate.riq.qc.ca (RIQ1.0/RIQ) id WAA28817; Tue, 19 Aug 1997 22:58:49 -0400 Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19970819190347.006c4a20@riq.qc.ca> X-Sender: alb@riq.qc.ca X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (32) [F] Date: Tue, 19 Aug 1997 19:03:47 -0300 To: Lori Brownell , Thorgeir Sigurdsson , TC304@dkuug.dk From: "Alain LaBont/e'/ SCT" Subject: Microsoft attendance at the next JTC1/SC18/WG9 meeting: EURO issue on keyboards Cc: thompson@dg3.cec.be, nohara@jbma.or.jp, sc18wg9@dkuug.dk In-Reply-To: <199708191822.UAA04732@dkuug.dk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit A 11:20 19/08/97 -0700, Lori Brownell a écrit : >I would be happy to participate in this meeting if you think that it >would be helpful. Please let me know if my attendance would be >acceptable and helpful, and the details regarding time and place for the >meeting and I'll be there. > >Thanks - Lori [Alain] : You would be most welcome and it would indeed be extremely useful that Microsoft be there to discss the EURO issue with keyboards (in particular ISO/IEC 9995-3). The meeting is planned for all week of November 11 in Cupertino (exact venue: I don't have with me now, but that is a formality, it could be at IBM's or in a hotel). Alain LaBonté Ottawa (at the ISO/IEC JTC1/SC22 Plenary) extra cc: SC18/WG9 email reflector _____________________________ > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Alain LaBont/e'/ SCT [SMTP:alb@riq.qc.ca] >> Sent: Monday, August 18, 1997 7:48 PM >> To: Lori Brownell; Thorgeir Sigurdsson; TC304@dkuug.dk >> Cc: thompson@dg3.cec.be; nohara@jbma.or.jp >> Subject: RE: Microsoft EURO on keyboards >> >> A 11:11 18/08/97 -0700, Lori Brownell a écrit : >> >These key assignments came from our local subsidiary staff. I have >> >forwarded your concerns to them and asked them to review their >> decisions >> >immediately. >> >> On my side I will try to make sure that our next ISO keyboard group >> revisit >> ISO/IEC 9995-3 (used, btw, in the latest MS-Windows NT driver for >> Canada). >> A Microsoft representation (even ad hoc) would be profitable for all >> parties. Our next ISO/IEC JTC1/SC18/WG9 meeting is in mid-October in >> Cupertino. >> >> Regards. >> >> Alain LaBonté >> Ottawa >> >> > >> >Thanks - Lori >> > >> >> -----Original Message----- >> >> From: Alain LaBont/e'/ - SCT [SMTP:alb@riq.qc.ca] >> >> Sent: Saturday, August 16, 1997 9:27 AM >> >> To: Thorgeir Sigurdsson; TC304@dkuug.dk >> >> Cc: thompson@dg3.cec.be; nohara@jbma.or.jp; >> alb@sct.gouv.qc.ca >> >> Subject: Re: Microsoft EURO on keyboards >> >> >> >> A 15:52 97-08-16 +0000, Thorgeir Sigurdsson a écrit : >> >> >Hi :-) >> >> > >> >> >I am sending to you a copy of a note from Arnold Winkler, who had >> the >> >> >following information from Microsoft yesterday, on how M plans to >> >> input the >> >> >EURO sign on keyboards. >> >> > >> >> >These plans differ from what we saw at our meetings in Crete (see >> the >> >> >minutes of the informal EURO workshop on Crete that is in the mail >> or >> >> on >> >> >your desk now :) in that many keyboards have been moved out of the >> >> AltGr+e >> >> >class. >> >> > >> >> >This is of interest to many of us. Thank you Arnold! >> >> > >> >> >Þorgeir >> >> > >> >> >(Thorgeir Sigurdsson, secretary of TC304) >> >> > >> >> > >> >> >>---------- >> >> >>From: Lori Brownell[SMTP:loribr@MICROSOFT.com] >> >> >>Sent: Thursday, August 14, 1997 11:47 PM >> >> >>To: Winkler, Arnold F >> >> >>Subject: RE: Euro on keyboards, et al... >> >> >> >> >> >>We have added the Euro to many of our keyboard layouts. Here is >> the >> >> >>list of layouts and where it went on each. Let me know if you >> need >> >> more >> >> >>info. Sorry it took so long to get back to you, but I wanted to >> >> make >> >> >>sure everything was final before I sent it. >> >> >> >> >> >>Thanks - Lori >> >> >> >> >> >>Keyboard support for Euro(U+20AC) >> >> >> >> >> >>AltGr+5 DA : Danish >> >> >>AltGr+5 EST : Estonia >> >> >>AltGr+5 FI : Finnish >> >> >>AltGr+5 FO : Faroese >> >> >>AltGr+5 GKL : Greek Latin >> >> >>AltGr+5 IC : Icelandic >> >> >>AltGr+5 NO : Norwegian >> >> >>AltGr+5 PO : Portuguese - KBD163 >> >> >>AltGr+5 SW : Swedish >> >> >>AltGr+5 USX : US-International >> >> >>AltGr+5 IT : Italian >> >> >>AltGr+5 IT142 : Italian 142 >> >> >>AltGr+5 SP : Spanish >> >> >> >> >> >>AltGr+4 LV : Latvia >> >> >>AltGr+4 LV1 : Latvia-QWERTY >> >> >>AltGr+4 UK : United Kingdom >> >> >>AltGr+4 IR : Irish >> >> >> >> >> >>AltGr+e BE : Belgian (French KBD120) >> >> >>AltGr+e BENE : Belgian Dutch 120 >> >> >>AltGr+e NE : Dutch - KBD143 >> >> >>AltGr+e FR : French >> >> >>AltGr+e SG : Swiss German >> >> >>AltGr+e SF : Swiss French >> >> >>AltGr+e GR : German >> >> >>AltGr+e GR1 : German_IBM >> >> >>AltGr+e CR : Croatian/Slovenian >> >> >>AltGr+e YCL : Serbian_Latin >> >> >>AltGr+e YCC : Serbian_Cyrillic >> >> >>AltGr+e MAC : Macedonian_Cyrillic >> >> >>AltGr+e TUF : Turkish F 440 >> >> >>AltGr+e TUQ : Turkish Q 179 >> >> >>AltGr+e LT : Lithuania >> >> >>AltGr+e LT1 : Lithuanian_New >> >> >>AltGr+e CZ : Czech >> >> >>AltGr+e CZ1 : Czech 101 >> >> >>AltGr+e CZ2 : Czech_Programmer's >> >> >>AltGr+e SL : Slovak >> >> >>AltGr+e SL1 : Slovak(QWERTY) >> >> >> >> >> >>AltGr+e (epsilon) for all five Greek keyboard layouts : >> >> >> HE : Greek >> >> >> HE220 : Greek IBM 220 >> >> >> HE319 : Greek IBM 319 >> >> >> HELA2 : Greek IBM 220 Latin >> >> >> HELA3 : Greek IBM 319 Latin >> >> >> >> >> >>AltGr+u HU : Hungarian >> >> >>AltGr+u HU1 : Hungarian 101 >> >> >>AltGr+u PL : Polish >> >> >>AltGr+u PL1 : Polish Programmer's >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >... >> >> >> >> >> >> I signaled Michel Suignard that there is an attempt between France >> and >> >> canada to have AltGr e (i.e. in ISO standardese, >> e), >> >> both >> >> in normal mode and CapsLock mode (like for all five vowels aeiou), >> to >> >> generate the letter with the circumflex accent. >> >> >> >> This jeopardizes that attempt. Better standardize in modifying >> ISO/IEC >> >> 9995-3 and I believe there is a candidate: the soft-hyphen is never >> >> used in >> >> data entry, it was not in the predecessor of ISO/IEC 9995-3 (which >> was >> >> ISO/IEC 8884), and it could be repaled by ISO. It is on level 2 of >> key >> >> E00 >> >> in group 2 of ISO/IEC 9995-3. >> >> >> >> The advantage would be a really international standard. >> >> >> >> My 2 cents. >> >> >> >> Alain LaBonté >> >> Québec >> >> >> >> Project Editor, ISO/IEC 995-3 >> > >> > > >