From owner-sc35wg4+sc35wg4-domo=www.open-std.org@open-std.org Fri Jan 31 06:12:26 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sc35wg4-domo Delivered-To: sc35wg4-domo@www.open-std.org Received: by www.open-std.org (Postfix, from userid 521) id 94AF1358495; Fri, 31 Jan 2014 06:12:26 +0100 (CET) Delivered-To: sc35wg4@open-std.org Received: from mail2.afnor.org (mail2.afnor.org [195.115.26.17]) by www.open-std.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 55DD635692E; Fri, 31 Jan 2014 06:12:25 +0100 (CET) Received: from mail2.afnor.org (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by IMSA (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5E89B3C8071; Fri, 31 Jan 2014 06:12:12 +0100 (CET) Received: from EXCHHUB01.intern.afnor.fr (unknown [10.100.1.231]) by mail2.afnor.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 215603C8069; Fri, 31 Jan 2014 06:12:12 +0100 (CET) Received: from EXCHBOITE01.intern.afnor.fr ([10.100.1.236]) by exchhub01 ([10.100.1.231]) with mapi; Fri, 31 Jan 2014 06:12:33 +0100 From: magnabosco philippe To: "Carter, James" , Andy Heath , Khalid CHOUKRI CC: ALB , "yoshikazu-seki@aist.go.jp" , "jeeink@gmail.com" , "monique.mai@orange.com" , "keld@keldix.com" , "thibault.grouas@culture.gouv.fr" , "sc35wg1@open-std.org" , mouradi amelle , "sc35wg2@open-std.org" , "sc35wg4@open-std.org" , "sc35wg6@open-std.org" , "sc35wg8@open-std.org" Date: Fri, 31 Jan 2014 06:12:19 +0100 Subject: RE: (SC35WG6.167) RE: (SC35WG2.26) (SC35WG1.513) RE: (SC35WG4.87) JTC1/SC35 meeting - Barcelona, week of 10 February 2014 Thread-Topic: (SC35WG6.167) RE: (SC35WG2.26) (SC35WG1.513) RE: (SC35WG4.87) JTC1/SC35 meeting - Barcelona, week of 10 February 2014 Thread-Index: AQHPHeyHnuX0JClMikiKX1tpd4T9GZqdnV6RgACsrqA= Message-ID: <596745E92980A4468D6BCAA0A3D650161A9D55A6@EXCHBOITE01.intern.afnor.fr> References: <20140128175022.50540358518@www.open-std.org> <20140130113040.6E6D23583BB@www.open-std.org> <20140130144959.A3205358314@www.open-std.org> <20140130181559.660D7358489@www.open-std.org> <20140130185310.81B9D35672F@www.open-std.org> <20140130185504.6F080358314@www.open-std.org> In-Reply-To: <20140130185504.6F080358314@www.open-std.org> Accept-Language: fr-FR Content-Language: fr-FR X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: acceptlanguage: fr-FR Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_000_596745E92980A4468D6BCAA0A3D650161A9D55A6EXCHBOITE01inte_" MIME-Version: 1.0 X-TM-AS-Product-Ver: IMSS-7.0.0.1085-7.0.0.1014-20472.004 X-TM-AS-Result: No--58.040-5.0-31-1 X-imss-scan-details: No--58.040-5.0-31-1 X-TM-AS-User-Approved-Sender: No Sender: owner-sc35wg4@open-std.org Precedence: bulk --_000_596745E92980A4468D6BCAA0A3D650161A9D55A6EXCHBOITE01inte_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Dear=20all I=20confirm=20a=20Webex=20meeting=20room=20will=20be=20available=20for=20= WG=206=20throughout=20its=20meeting. Best=20regards, Philippe=20MAGNABOSCO Secr=E9taire/Secretary =20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20CEN/WS=20ICT=20Skills =20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20ISO/IEC=20JTC=201/SC=2035 =20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20ISO=20TC=2046/WG=202 AFNOR=20Normalisation=20-=20DTEC 11=20rue=20Francis=20de=20Pressens=E9 93571=20La=20Plaine-Saint=20Denis +33=20(0)1=2041=2062=2085=2002 De=20:=20owner-sc35wg6@open-std.org=20[mailto:owner-sc35wg6@open-std.org]= =20De=20la=20part=20de=20Carter,=20James Envoy=E9=20:=20jeudi=2030=20janvier=202014=2019:55 =C0=20:=20Andy=20Heath;=20Khalid=20CHOUKRI Cc=20:=20ALB;=20yoshikazu-seki@aist.go.jp;=20jeeink@gmail.com;=20monique.= mai@orange.com;=20keld@keldix.com;=20thibault.grouas@culture.gouv.fr;=20s= c35wg1@open-std.org;=20magnabosco=20philippe;=20mouradi=20amelle;=20sc35w= g2@open-std.org;=20sc35wg4@open-std.org;=20sc35wg6@open-std.org;=20sc35wg= 8@open-std.org Objet=20:=20(SC35WG6.167)=20RE:=20(SC35WG2.26)=20(SC35WG1.513)=20RE:=20(S= C35WG4.87)=20JTC1/SC35=20meeting=20-=20Barcelona,=20week=20of=2010=20Febr= uary=202014 I=20have=20informed=20the=20Chair=20and=20the=20Secretary=20that=20I=20ex= pect=20that=20we=20will=20need=20WebEx=20for=20WG6=20on=20Monday=20aftern= oon,=20all=20day=20Tuesday=20and=20for=20joint=20meetings=20on=20Wednesda= y. Regards,=20Jim ________________________________ From:=20owner-sc35wg2@open-std.org=20[owner-sc35wg2@open-std.org]=20on=20= behalf=20of=20Andy=20Heath=20[andyheath@axelrod.plus.com] Sent:=2030=20January=202014=2012:53 To:=20Khalid=20CHOUKRI Cc:=20Carter,=20James;=20ALB;=20yoshikazu-seki@aist.go.jp;=20jeeink@gmail= .com;=20monique.mai@orange.com;=20keld@keldix.com;=20thibault.grouas@cult= ure.gouv.fr;=20sc35wg1@open-std.org;=20philippe.magnabosco@afnor.org;=20m= ouradi=20amelle;=20sc35wg2@open-std.org;=20sc35wg4@open-std.org;=20sc35wg= 6@open-std.org;=20sc35wg8@open-std.org Subject:=20(SC35WG2.26)=20(SC35WG6.165)=20(SC35WG1.513)=20RE:=20(SC35WG4.= 87)=20JTC1/SC35=20meeting=20-=20Barcelona,=20week=20of=2010=20February=20= 2014 Let=20me=20throw=20something=20else=20into=20this=20picture=20-=20sorry= =20it's=20so=20late=20in=20the=20conversation=20but=20other=20work=20has= =20prevented=20me=20paying=20attention=20till=20now=20-=20there=20are=20m= any=20mails=20in=20this=20discussion=20waiting=20for=20me=20to=20read.=20= I'm=20not=20able=20to=20attend=20in=20Barcelona=20-=20if=20it's=20possibl= e=20I=20would=20like=20to=20participate=20at=20least=20in=20some=20of=20t= he=20wg's=20remotely.=20Is=20that=20possible? Andy=20Heath Sent=20from=20my=20iPad On=2030=20Jan=202014,=20at=2018:15,=20Khalid=20CHOUKRI=20>=20wrote: Hi=20Jim Carter,=20James=20wrote,=20On=2030/01/2014=2015:49: How=20is=20Philippe=20going=20to=20circulate=20a=20"a=20general=20schedul= e=20of=20the=20meetings=20of=20the=20WGs=201,2,4,6,7),"=20when=20there=20= has=20been=20NO=20consultation=20with=20the=20WG=20convenors? This=20is=20indeed=20what=20I=20did=20ask=20Philippe=20to=20do=20yesterda= y=20and=20I=20will=20make=20sure=20that=20such=20plans=20are=20shared=20w= ith=20all=20of=20us=20before=20end=20of=20the=20week=20,=20so=20I=20hope= =20to=20see=20this=20tomorrow. Of=20course=20we=20can=20still=20revise=20it=20if=20necessary=20but=20at= =20least=20I=20do=20expect=20to=20have=20a=20clear=20picture=20of=20the= =20way=20things=20are=20planned,=20coordinated=20,=20etc.=20like=20all=20= of=20us=20I=20guess; In=20order=20to=20have=20SC35=20work=20efficiently=20it=20is=20essential= =20that=20the=20needs=20of=20the=20WGs=20be=20considered. Fully=20agree=20,=20for=20me=20SC35=20is=20only=20the=20umbrella=20that= =20is=20composed=20of=20all=20WGs=20and=20it=20does=20not=20make=20sens= =20=20to=20SC35=20activities=20outside=20the=20WGs; All=20the=20best Khalid Regards,=20Jim ________________________________ From:=20owner-sc35wg4@open-std.org=20[= owner-sc35wg4@open-std.org]=20on=20beh= alf=20of=20Khalid=20CHOUKRI=20[choukri@elda.org] Sent:=2030=20January=202014=2005:30 To:=20ALB;=20yoshikazu-seki@aist.go.jp;= =20jeeink@gmail.com;=20monique.mai@orange.com;=20keld@keldix.com;= =20Carter,=20James;=20thibault.grouas@culture.gouv.fr Cc:=20sc35wg1@open-std.org;=20philippe.magna= bosco@afnor.org;=20mouradi=20amelle= ;=20sc35wg2@open-std.org;=20sc35wg4@open-std= .org;=20sc35wg6@open-std.org;=20sc35wg8@open-std.org Subject:=20(SC35WG4.87)=20(SC35WG2.20)=20(SC35WG1.507)=20JTC1/SC35=20meet= ing=20-=20Barcelona,=20week=20of=2010=20February=202014 Hi=20Alain, I=20am=20responding=20to=20this=20email=20,=20now=20that=20we=20got=20mor= e=20input=20from=20our=20secretariat, ALB=20wrote,=20On=2028/01/2014=2015:57: Le=202014-01-28=20=E0=2008:32,=20Khalid=20CHOUKRI=20a=20=E9crit=20: Well=20I=20am=20surprised=20to=20see=20that=20(and=20hope=20this=20is=20o= nly=20WG1!)=20,=20let=20us=20discuss=20it=20again=20and=20see=20how=20to= =20move=20forward. [Alain]=20=20So=20far=20I=20have=20seen=20unanimity=20of=20those=20who=20= expressed=20their=20views=20from=20other=20WGs=20as=20well=20(Seki=20San,= =20Jim,=20Monique,=20Karl,=20Keld,=20etc.).=20Nobody=20else=20said=20the= =20view=20I=20expressed=20on=20GOM=20was=20not=20the=20best=20and=20most= =20efficient=20one,=20and=20the=20one=20understood=20in=20Saskatoon=20too= =20at=20our=20infornal=20meeting.=20That=20is=20why=20I=20say=20it=20is= =20certainly=20only=20a=20misunderstanding=20between=20those=20who=20knew= =20GOMs=20and=20you,=20Khalid=20(no=20offence=20intended,=20of=20course,= =20I'm=20just=20in=20search=20of=20the=20best).=20Btw=20GOM=20is=20a=20co= ncept=20invented=20by=20AFNOR=20at=20the=20time=20(for=20meetings=20when= =20the=20secretary=20could=20not=20be=20present).=20It=20pleased=20everyb= ody.=20It=20seems=20it=20still=20pleases. I=20am=20happy=20to=20see=20that=20we=20all=20targeting=20the=20same=20ob= jective,=20though=20we=20have=20different=20approaches=20to=20achieve=20i= t.=20I=20do=20not=20think=20there=20was=20any=20misunderstanding=20about= =20the=20operations=20of=20the=20WGs,=20I=20have=20been=20briefed=20by=20= Yves=20and=20Philippe=20but=20yo=20are=20right=20(and=20I=20am=20not=20of= fended,=20I=20appreciate=20your=20fair=20and=20friendly=20involvement=20i= n=20this=20discussion),=20I=20know=20that=20I=20have=20so=20much=20to=20l= earn.=20But=20this=20does=20not=20(should=20not)=20prevent=20us=20from=20= thinking=20of=20our=20approaches=20and=20how=20to=20improve=20our=20proce= sses. I=20have=20seen=20that=20most=20of=20the=20work=20is=20done=20on=20site= =20and=20I=20would=20like=20to=20see=20more=20of=20this=20done=20during= =20the=20periods=20between=20meetings=20via=20email,=20skype,=20and=20if= =20necessary=20wikis. I=20attended=20the=20JTC1=20meeting=20last=20November=20and=20was=20surpr= ised=20to=20see=20that=20most=20of=20the=20SCs=20meet=20once=20a=20year= =20(or=20even=20less),=20many=20of=20their=20WGs=20members=20=20meet=20at= =20conferences=20for=20a=20day=20or=20two. Given=20Philippe's=20remarks=20,=20I=20suggest=20that=20we=20go=20ahead= =20with=20the=20WGs=20meetings=20(I=20have=20asked=20Philippe=20to=20circ= ulate=20a=20general=20schedule=20of=20the=20meetings=20of=20the=20WGs=201= ,2,4,6,7),=20and=20let=20us=20have=20a=20short=20meeting=20on=20Monday=20= morning=20all=20together=20to=20plan=20the=20activities=20of=20the=20week= . best=20regards Khalid =20=20=20Some=20other=20remarks: 1)=20not=20all=20P-members=20are=20represented=20at=20Plenaries=20with=20= a=20capital=20P,=20unfortunately.=20There=20is=20no=20reason=20to=20be=20= more=20severe=20concerning=20this=20at=20resolution=20plenaries=20with=20= a=20small=20p.=20In=20general,=20except=20for=20one=20or=202=20exceptions= ,=20member=20bodies=20really=20participating=20in=20making=20projects=20a= ttend=20all=20meetings=20(that=20said=20without=20diminishing=20the=20imp= ortance=20of=20others=20who=20still=20show=20their=20solidarity=20in=20th= e=20voting=20process=20of=20documents=20to=20be=20published,=20which=20is= =20very=20important=20and=20the=20name=20of=20the=20game=20in=20internati= onal=20standards). 2)=20The=20notion=20of=20quorum=20is=20important=20(both=20at=20Plenaries= =20and=20"plenaries"=20[GOMs]).=20Resolutions=20taken=20by=20GOMs=20shoul= d=20be=20as=20executory=20as=20those=20taken=20at=20Plenaries=20because= =20there=20is=20a=20quorum=20(without=20letter=20ballot=20to=20approve=20= those=20resolutions=20again).=20Whether=20these=20resolutions=20are=20app= roved=20in=20a=20GOM=20or=20in=20a=20single=20WG=20should=20not=20matter.= =20In=20other=20SCs,=20even=20when=20there=20is=20an=20interim=20meeting= =20(no=20Plenary),=20resolutions=20of=20WGs=20are=20executory=20immediate= ly=20ans=20are=20not=20approved=20twice=20in=20a=20further=20letter=20bal= lot=20(case=20in=20point=20:=20JTC1/SC2,=20in=20which=20I=20am=20active= =20both=20as=20convernor=20and=20editor). 3)=20GOMs=20just=20assures=20SC35=20coherence,=20as=20there=20are=20multi= ple=20projects=20that=20inter-relates=20WGs=20(which=20may=20be=20not=20t= he=20case=20in=20other=20SCs).=20It=20is=20essential=20to=20have=20consta= nt=20coherence,=20all=20year=20round.=20This=20GOM=20process=20does=20not= =20violate=20any=20ISO=20or=20IEC=20rule=20to=20my=20nowledge=20(on=20the= =20contrary,=20it=20improves=20efficience),=20it=20is=20an=20internal=20p= rocess=20(checked=20by=20AFNOR=20at=20the=20time).=20It=20also=20ensures= =20there=20is=20no=20dispersion,=20and=20should=20be=20an=20asset=20more= =20to=20ensure=20that=20nothing=20is=20forgotten,=20Dividing=20SC35=20fur= ther=20would=20not=20be=20a=20good=20idea,=20it=20would=20be=20detrimenta= l=20to=20coherence,=20I'm=20convinced=20about=20this. Alain --- Ce=20courrier=20=E9lectronique=20ne=20contient=20aucun=20virus=20ou=20log= iciel=20malveillant=20parce=20que=20la=20protection=20avast!=20Antivirus= =20est=20active. http://www.avast.com -- Khalid=20Choukri ELRA=20General=20secretary=20&=20ELDA=20CEO email:=20choukri@elda.org; Web:=20www.elra.info=20www.elda.org Tel.=20+33=201=2043=2013=2033=2033=20-=20Fax.=20+33=201=2043=2013=2033=20= 30 *************************************************** **=20Info=20on=20LREC:=20www.lrec-conf.org **************************************************** -- Khalid=20Choukri ELRA=20General=20secretary=20&=20ELDA=20CEO email:=20choukri@elda.org; Web:=20www.elra.info=20www.elda.org Tel.=20+33=201=2043=2013=2033=2033=20-=20Fax.=20+33=201=2043=2013=2033=20= 30 *************************************************** **=20Info=20on=20LREC:=20www.lrec-conf.org **************************************************** "ATTENTION. 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I=20confirm=20a=20Webex=20meeting=20roo= m=20will=20be=20available=20for=20WG=206=20throughout=20its=20meeting.

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De :=20owner-sc35wg6@ope= n-std.org=20[mailto:owner-sc35wg6@open-std.org]=20De=20la=20part=20de<= /b>=20Carter,=20James
Envoy=E9 :=20jeudi=2030=20janvier=20= 2014=2019:55
=C0 :=20Andy=20Heath;=20Khalid=20CHOUKRI
<= b>Cc :=20ALB;=20yoshikazu-seki@aist.go.jp;=20jeeink@gmail.com;= =20monique.mai@orange.com;=20keld@keldix.com;=20thibault.grouas@culture.g= ouv.fr;=20sc35wg1@open-std.org;=20magnabosco=20philippe;=20mouradi=20amel= le;=20sc35wg2@open-std.org;=20sc35wg4@open-std.org;=20sc35wg6@open-std.or= g;=20sc35wg8@open-std.org
Objet :=20(SC35WG6.167)=20RE:=20= (SC35WG2.26)=20(SC35WG1.513)=20RE:=20(SC35WG4.87)=20JTC1/SC35=20meeting= =20-=20Barcelona,=20week=20of=2010=20February=202014
 

I=20have=20informed=20the=20Chair=20and=20the=20Secr= etary=20that=20I=20expect=20that=20we=20will=20need=20WebEx=20for=20WG6= =20on=20Monday=20afternoon,=20all=20day=20Tuesday=20and=20for=20joint=20m= eetings=20on=20Wednesday.

Regards,=20Jim

=
From:=20owner-sc= 35wg2@open-std.org=20[owner-sc35wg2@open-std.org]=20on=20behalf=20of=20An= dy=20Heath=20[andyheath@axelrod.plus.com]
Sent:=2030=20January= =202014=2012:53
To:=20Khalid=20CHOUKRI
Cc:=20Carter,= =20James;=20ALB;=20yoshikazu-seki@aist.go.jp;=20jeeink@gmail.com;=20moniq= ue.mai@orange.com;=20keld@keldix.com;=20thibault.grouas@culture.gouv.fr;= =20sc35wg1@open-std.org;=20philippe.magnabosco@afnor.org;=20mouradi=20ame= lle;=20sc35wg2@open-std.org;=20sc35wg4@open-std.org;=20sc35wg6@open-std.o= rg;=20sc35wg8@open-std.org
Subject:=20(SC35WG2.26)=20(SC35WG6.1= 65)=20(SC35WG1.513)=20RE:=20(SC35WG4.87)=20JTC1/SC35=20meeting=20-=20Barc= elona,=20week=20of=2010=20February=202014

Let=20me=20throw=20something=20else=20into=20thi= s=20picture=20-=20sorry=20it's=20so=20late=20in=20the=20conversation=20bu= t=20other=20work=20has=20prevented=20me=20paying=20attention=20till=20now= =20-=20there=20are=20many=20mails=20in=20this=20discussion=20waiting=20fo= r=20me=20to=20read.=20I'm=20not=20able=20to=20attend=20in=20Barcelona=20-= =20if=20it's=20possible=20I=20would=20like=20to=20participate=20at=20leas= t=20in=20some=20of=20the=20wg's=20remotely.=20Is=20that=20possible?<= /o:p>

 

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On=2030=20Jan=202014,= =20at=2018:15,=20Khalid=20CHOUKRI=20<choukri@elda.org>=20wrote:

Hi=20Jim

Carter,=20James=20wrote,=20On=2030/01/2= 014=2015:49:

How=20is=
=20Philippe=20going=20to=20circulate=20a=20"a=20general=20schedule=
=20of=20the=20meetings=20of=20the=20WGs=201,2,4,6,7),"=20when=20ther=
e=20has=20been=20NO=20consultation=20with=20the=20WG=20convenors?
This=20is=20indeed=20what=20I=20did=20ask=20Philippe=20to=20do= =20yesterday=20and=20I=20will=20make=20sure=20that=20such=20plans=20are= =20shared=20with=20all=20of=20us=20before=20end=20of=20the=20week=20,=20s= o=20I=20hope=20to=20see=20this=20tomorrow.
Of=20course=20we=20can=20st= ill=20revise=20it=20if=20necessary=20but=20at=20least=20I=20do=20expect= =20to=20have=20a=20clear=20picture=20of=20the=20way=20things=20are=20plan= ned,=20coordinated=20,=20etc.=20like=20all=20of=20us=20I=20guess;

= 

In=20order=
=20to=20have=20SC35=20work=20efficiently=20it=20is=20essential=20that=20t=
he=20needs=20of=20the=20WGs=20be=20considered.

Fully=20agree=20,= =20for=20me=20SC35=20is=20only=20the=20umbrella=20that=20is=20composed=20= of=20all=20WGs=20and=20it=20does=20not=20make=20sens =20to=20SC35=20= activities=20outside=20the=20WGs;

All=20the=20best
Khalid


Regard=
s,=20Jim
______=
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From:=20owner-sc35wg4@open-std.org=20[owner-sc35wg4@open-std.org]=20on=20behalf=20of=20Khalid=20CHOUKRI=20[choukri@elda.org]
Sent:=2030=20January=202014=2005:30
To:=20ALB;=20yoshikaz=
u-seki@aist.go.jp;=20jeeink@gmail.com;=20monique.mai@orange.com;=20keld@keldix.com;=20Carter,=
=20James;=20thibault.grouas@culture.gouv.fr
Cc:=20sc35wg1@open-std.org;=20philippe.magnabosco=
@afnor.org;=20mouradi=20amelle;=20sc35wg2@open-std.org;=20sc35wg4@open-std.org;=20<=
a=20href=3D"mailto:sc35wg6@open-std.org"=20target=3D"_blank">sc35wg6@open=
-std.org;=20sc35wg8@open-std.org
Subject:=20(SC35WG4.87)=20(SC35WG2.20)=20(SC35WG1.507)=
=20JTC1/SC35=20meeting=20-=20Barcelona,=20week=20of=2010=20February=20201=
4
 
Hi=20Alain,
I=20am=20responding=20to=
=20this=20email=20,=20now=20that=20we=20got=20more=20input=20from=20our=
=20secretariat,
 
&n=
bsp;
 
ALB=20wrote,=20On=2028/=
01/2014=2015:57:
Le=202014-01-28=20=E0=2008:32,=20Khalid=20CHOUKRI=20a=20=E9crit=20:
Well=20I=20am=20su=
rprised=20to=20see=20that=20(and=20hope=20this=20is=20only=20WG1!)=20,=20=
let=20us=20discuss=20it=20again=20and=20see=20how=20to=20move=20forward.<=
o:p>
 
[Alain]=A0=20So=20far=
=20I=20have=20seen=20unanimity=20of=20those=20who=20expressed=20their=20v=
iews=20from=20other=20WGs=20as=20well=20(Seki=20San,=20Jim,=20Monique,=20=
Karl,=20Keld,=20etc.).=20Nobody=20else=20said=20the=20view=20I=20expresse=
d=20on=20GOM=20was=20not=20the=20best=20and=20most=20efficient=20one,=20a=
nd=20the=20one=20understood=20in=20Saskatoon=20too=20at=20our=20infornal=
=20meeting.=20That=20is=20why=20I=20say=20it=20is=20certainly=20only=20a=
=20misunderstanding=20between=20those=20who=20knew=20GOMs=20and=20you,=20=
Khalid=20(no=20offence=20intended,=20of=20course,=20I'm=20just=20in=20sea=
rch=20of=20the=20best).=20Btw=20GOM=20is=20a=20concept=20invented=20by=20=
AFNOR=20at=20the=20time=20(for=20meetings=20when=20the=20secretary=20coul=
d=20not=20be=20present).=20It=20pleased=20everybody.=20It=20seems=20it=20=
still=20pleases.
 
I=20am=
=20happy=20to=20see=20that=20we=20all=20targeting=20the=20same=20objectiv=
e,=20though=20we=20have=20different=20approaches=20to=20achieve=20it.=20I=
=20do=20not=20think=20there=20was=20any=20misunderstanding=20about=20the=
=20operations=20of=20the=20WGs,=20I=20have=20been=20briefed=20by=20Yves=
=20and=20Philippe=20but=20yo=20are=20right=20(and=20I=20am=20not=20offend=
ed,=20I=20appreciate=20your=20fair=20and=20friendly=20involvement=20in=20=
this=20discussion),=20I=20know=20that=20I=20have=20so=20much=20to=20learn=
.=20But=20this=20does=20not=20(should=20not)=20prevent=20us=20from=20thin=
king=20of=20our=20approaches=20and=20how=20to=20improve=20our=20processes=
.
 
I=20have=20seen=20tha=
t=20most=20of=20the=20work=20is=20done=20on=20site=20and=20I=20would=20li=
ke=20to=20see=20more=20of=20this=20done=20during=20the=20periods=20betwee=
n=20meetings=20via=20email,=20skype,=20and=20if=20necessary=20wikis.=

I=20attended=20the=
=20JTC1=20meeting=20last=20November=20and=20was=20surprised=20to=20see=20=
that=20most=20of=20the=20SCs=20meet=20once=20a=20year=20(or=20even=20less=
),=20many=20of=20their=20WGs=20members=A0=20meet=20at=20conferences=20for=
=20a=20day=20or=20two.
 
=
 
Given=20=
Philippe's=20remarks=20,=20I=20suggest=20that=20we=20go=20ahead=20with=20=
the=20WGs=20meetings=20(I=20have=20asked=20Philippe=20to=20circulate=20a=
=20general=20schedule=20of=20the=20meetings=20of=20the=20WGs=201,2,4,6,7)=
,=20and=20let=20us=20have=20a=20short=20meeting=20on=20Monday=20morning=
=20all=20together=20to=20plan=20the=20activities=20of=20the=20week.<=
/o:p>
 
 
best=20regards
 
<=
span=20style=3D'color:black'>Khalid
 
 
 
=A0=
=A0=20Some=20other=20remarks:
 
1)=20not=20all=20P-members=20are=20represented=20at=20Plenaries=
=20with=20a=20capital=20P,=20unfortunately.=20There=20is=20no=20reason=20=
to=20be=20more=20severe=20concerning=20this=20at=20resolution=20plenaries=
=20with=20a=20small=20p.=20In=20general,=20except=20for=20one=20or=202=20=
exceptions,=20member=20bodies=20really=20participating=20in=20making=20pr=
ojects=20attend=20all=20meetings=20(that=20said=20without=20diminishing=
=20the=20importance=20of=20others=20who=20still=20show=20their=20solidari=
ty=20in=20the=20voting=20process=20of=20documents=20to=20be=20published,=
=20which=20is=20very=20important=20and=20the=20name=20of=20the=20game=20i=
n=20international=20standards).
 
2)=20The=20notion=20of=20quorum=20is=20important=20(both=20at=20=
Plenaries=20and=20"plenaries"=20[GOMs]).=20Resolutions=20taken=
=20by=20GOMs=20should=20be=20as=20executory=20as=20those=20taken=20at=20P=
lenaries=20because=20there=20is=20a=20quorum=20(without=20letter=20ballot=
=20to=20approve=20those=20resolutions=20again).=20Whether=20these=20resol=
utions=20are=20approved=20in=20a=20GOM=20or=20in=20a=20single=20WG=20shou=
ld=20not=20matter.=20In=20other=20SCs,=20even=20when=20there=20is=20an=20=
interim=20meeting=20(no=20Plenary),=20resolutions=20of=20WGs=20are=20exec=
utory=20immediately=20ans=20are=20not=20approved=20twice=20in=20a=20furth=
er=20letter=20ballot=20(case=20in=20point=20:=20JTC1/SC2,=20in=20which=20=
I=20am=20active=20both=20as=20convernor=20and=20editor).
 
<=
pre>3)=20GOMs=20just=20assures=20SC35=20coh=
erence,=20as=20there=20are=20multiple=20projects=20that=20inter-relates=
=20WGs=20(which=20may=20be=20not=20the=20case=20in=20other=20SCs).=20It=
=20is=20essential=20to=20have=20constant=20coherence,=20all=20year=20roun=
d.=20This=20GOM=20process=20does=20not=20violate=20any=20ISO=20or=20IEC=
=20rule=20to=20my=20nowledge=20(on=20the=20contrary,=20it=20improves=20ef=
ficience),=20it=20is=20an=20internal=20process=20(checked=20by=20AFNOR=20=
at=20the=20time).=20It=20also=20ensures=20there=20is=20no=20dispersion,=
=20and=20should=20be=20an=20asset=20more=20to=20ensure=20that=20nothing=
=20is=20forgotten,=20Dividing=20SC35=20further=20would=20not=20be=20a=20g=
ood=20idea,=20it=20would=20be=20detrimental=20to=20coherence,=20I'm=20con=
vinced=20about=20this.
 
=
Alain
---<=
/o:p>
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ectronique=20ne=20contient=20aucun=20virus=20ou=20logiciel=20malveillant=
=20parce=20que=20la=20protection=20avast!=20Antivirus=20est=20active.
http://www.avast.com<=
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