From owner-sc35wg4+sc35wg4-domo=www.open-std.org@open-std.org Sun Mar 11 13:44:12 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sc35wg4-domo Delivered-To: sc35wg4-domo@www.open-std.org Received: by www.open-std.org (Postfix, from userid 521) id 8EE5235698C; Sun, 11 Mar 2012 13:44:12 +0100 (CET) Delivered-To: sc35wg4@open-std.org Received: from mta01.jcnet.ad.jp (mta01.jcnet.ad.jp [218.219.80.237]) by www.open-std.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C1EA535684F; Sun, 11 Mar 2012 13:44:10 +0100 (CET) Received: from vcgw1.mta.jcnet.ad.jp (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mta01.jcnet.ad.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2E2576F91B; Sun, 11 Mar 2012 21:44:09 +0900 (JST) Received: from vcgw0p.mta.jcnet.ad.jp (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by vcgw1.mta.jcnet.ad.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1F97316C707; Sun, 11 Mar 2012 21:44:09 +0900 (JST) X-Client-IP: 118.87.178.231 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (118-87-178-231.cnc.jp [118.87.178.231]) by vcgw0p.mta.jcnet.ad.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 91D4ED5E62; Sun, 11 Mar 2012 21:44:01 +0900 (JST) Message-ID: <4F5C9E07.2050000@faculty.chiba-u.jp> Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2012 21:43:51 +0900 From: Hiroaki IKEDA Organization: Chiba University User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 5.1; rv:10.0.2) Gecko/20120216 Thunderbird/10.0.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Andy Heath CC: sc35wg4@open-std.org, sc35wg1@open-std.org, ikeda@jsa.or.jp, =?UTF-8?B?QWxhaW5fTGFCb250w6k=?= , jaeil@nia.or.kr Subject: Re: (SC35WG1.334) Revised WD 17549 (4-direction devices) References: <20120229034257.97BBD9DB114@www.open-std.org> <20120306155520.76861356945@www.open-std.org> <20120306220605.23A7F356941@www.open-std.org> <4F56BDDB.1060706@axelrod.plus.com> <20120307124800.20BBA356945@www.open-std.org> <20120307181203.148263569A2@www.open-std.org> <20120308221932.F2048356973@www.open-std.org> <20120309002414.00003557.0033@faculty.chiba-u.jp> <20120309120849.806C635699F@www.open-std.org> <20120311072509.E946A356998@www.open-std.org> <4F5C7795.2030706@axelrod.plus.com> In-Reply-To: <4F5C7795.2030706@axelrod.plus.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------030702020406050308010309" Sender: owner-sc35wg4@open-std.org Precedence: bulk This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------030702020406050308010309 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Dear Andy, As a quick response, I confirmed that within my PC environment (Word 2003 over Windows XP) 2. ISO-CEI-JTC001-SC35_N1783_WD_17549~2_Rev1akh2.doc includes the track changes in 1. ISO-CEI-JTC001-SC35_N1783_WD_17549~2_Rev1akh.doc In my actual work with Mr. Song, the following steps were taken: a) Reflect all changes proposed by Andy in the file (1) to a yet another file manually; b) Taken into account proposed changes to Annex A by Andy in the file (2) to the file manually and sent to all. To answer to some of the questions raised by Andy, relevant parts were up dated, but not completely because of lack of time. Both editors made up their mind to respect the deadline rather than 100 % perfectness. Let me check Revision 3 again to make sure something left in terms of English. Thank you very much again for your kind editing not only English but also pointing out technical issues. With best regards, Hiroaki IKEDA (2012/03/11 18:59), Andy Heath wrote: > Dear Professor Ikeda, Dear Mr Jaeil SONG, and others > > I'm sorry but there might be a small problem - MsWord is misbehaving on my machine and not always showing tracked changes properly - I think its something with memory. Can you and/or Mr Jaeil SONG check something for me please > > There are two files involved > > 1. ISO-CEI-JTC001-SC35_N1783_WD_17549~2_Rev1akh.doc > 2. ISO-CEI-JTC001-SC35_N1783_WD_17549~2_Rev1akh2.doc > > In 1. I made many small changes to the text (but not the Annex) and also made comments on pieces of text independent of the comments. > For example, on page 2 there are 5 changed sections and 2 extra comments on pieces of text, on page 3 there are 10 changed sections and 1 commented piece of text. > > I then copied file 1. to file 2. and in 2. I continued to edit the Annex. However, when I look now at 2. there is something wrong with the change-tracking - I cannot see any of the changes I made to 1. That is they are in the text but do not show as tracked whatever settings I have. I can see them in 1. but not in 2. with the same settings. > Can you just confirm you picked up all the changes and they aren't just there without being reviewed ? Its probably fine - I'll edit rev3 on a machine with more memory but if you could confirm you caught them that would be useful. > > Thanks > > andy > > > >> Dear Andy, >> dear WG 1 and WG 4 members, >> >> Many thanks indeed to your review and inputs on SC 35 N 1806. >> >> As editor of ISO/IEC 17549, I collaborated with co-editor Mr Jaeil SONG >> on 10th and 11th March using Skype and e-mail exchange to reflect the >> inputs and any improvement. >> >> A result of collaboration up to now is attached for your further review >> until 2012-03-15, when a finalized document will be submitted to >> conveners of WG 1 and WG 4 for their consideration as 1st CD. >> >> With best regards, >> Hiroaki IKEDA, Project Editor 17549 >> >> (2012/03/09 21:08), Andy Heath wrote: >>> Dear Professor Ikeda and all, >>> >>> now done. >>> In the cases where I have been unsure of the meaning I have commented >>> to this effect - I am happy to revisit those cases after clarification >>> if they can be marked up in a way that I can find them. >>> >>> I hope this is useful. >>> >>> Best Wishes >>> >>> andy >>>> Dear Andy, >>>> (let me re-send my answer from the correct source e-mail address) >>>> >>>> Thank you very much for your efforts of improving English. >>>> >>>> Please kindky review the Annex A for English improving. >>>> Tomorrow I will meet the co-editor over the Skype for further overall >>>> action. >>>> >>>> With best regards, >>>> Hiroaki IKEDA >>>> >>>> >>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>> Dear Professor Ikeda, >>>>> >>>>> does the Annex. A. need reviewing for English "improving" ? >>>>> Or should this be left alone as a document from an external source ? >>>>> >>>>> Kind regards >>>>> >>>>> andy >>>>> >>>>>> In the attached I've reviewed the english as requested and made >>>>>> extensive editorial modifications and comments. Almost all of the >>>>>> modifications are entirely editorial with just the odd one or two >>>> where >>>>>> I've suggested a small semantic change. >>>>>> >>>>>> In many cases I wasn't clear what was intended and so I commented to >>>>>> that effect and in some cases suggested several alternatives from >>>> which >>>>>> one can be selected. In some places I could make no sense at all of >>>> a >>>>>> few sentences so there was nothing I could do with it - in those >>>> cases >>>>>> I'm happy to review again and supply english text if some >>>> clarification >>>>>> of meaning can be made and the document marked up in some way so I >>>> can >>>>>> find them. >>>>>> >>>>>> I haven't yet tackled Annex A because I'm not sure of its context >>>> and >>>>>> whether its ok to modify it - if its text taken from some external >>>> study >>>>>> then is it ok to make modifications ? >>>>>> >>>>>> I hope this helps and am happy to look again at clarified parts >>>>>> identified to need a further look and also the Annex if its >>>> appropriate. >>>>>> >>>>>> Cheers >>>>>> >>>>>> andy >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Cheers >>>>> >>>>> andy >>>>> -- >>>>> __________________ >>>>> Andy Heath >>>>> http://axelafa.com >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Cheers >>> >>> andy > > > > Cheers > > andy --------------030702020406050308010309 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Dear Andy,

As a quick response, I confirmed that within my PC environment (Word 2003 over Windows XP)
2. ISO-CEI-JTC001-SC35_N1783_WD_17549~2_Rev1akh2.doc
includes the track changes in
1. ISO-CEI-JTC001-SC35_N1783_WD_17549~2_Rev1akh.doc

In my actual work with Mr. Song, the following steps were taken: a) Reflect all changes proposed by Andy in the file (1) to a yet another file manually;
b) Taken into account proposed changes to Annex A by Andy in the file (2) to the file manually and sent to all.

To answer to some of the questions raised by Andy, relevant parts were up dated, but not completely because of lack of time.
Both editors made up their mind to respect the deadline rather than 100 % perfectness.

Let me check Revision 3 again to make sure something left in terms of English.

Thank you very much again for your kind editing not only English but also pointing out technical issues.

With best regards,
Hiroaki IKEDA

(2012/03/11 18:59), Andy Heath wrote:
Dear Professor Ikeda, Dear Mr Jaeil SONG, and others

I'm sorry but there might be a small problem - MsWord is misbehaving on my machine and not always showing tracked changes properly - I think its something with memory.=C2=A0 Can you and/or = Mr Jaeil SONG check something for me please

There are two files involved

1. ISO-CEI-JTC001-SC35_N1783_WD_17549~2_Rev1akh.doc
2. ISO-CEI-JTC001-SC35_N1783_WD_17549~2_Rev1akh2.doc

In 1. I made many small changes to the text (but not the Annex) and also made comments on pieces of text independent of the comments.
For example, on page 2 there are 5 changed sections and 2 extra comments on pieces of text, on page 3 there are 10 changed sections and 1 commented piece of text.

I then copied file 1. to file 2. and in 2. I continued to edit the Annex.=C2=A0 However, when I look now at 2. there is something wron= g with the change-tracking - I cannot see any of the changes I made to 1. That is they are in the text but do not show as tracked whatever settings I have. I can see them in 1. but not in 2. with the same settings.
Can you just confirm you picked up all the changes and they aren't just there without being reviewed ? Its probably fine - I'll edit rev3 on a machine with more memory but if you could confirm you caught them that would be useful.

Thanks

andy



Dear Andy,
dear WG 1 and WG 4 members,

Many thanks indeed to your review and inputs on SC 35 N 1806.

As editor of ISO/IEC 17549, I collaborated with co-editor Mr Jaeil SONG
on 10th and 11th March using Skype and e-mail exchange to reflect the
inputs and any improvement.

A result of collaboration up to now is attached for your further review
until 2012-03-15, when a finalized document will be submitted to
conveners of WG 1 and WG 4 for their consideration as 1st CD.

With best regards,
Hiroaki IKEDA, Project Editor 17549

(2012/03/09 21:08), Andy Heath wrote:
Dear Professor Ikeda and all,

now done.
In the cases where I have been unsure of the meaning I have commented
to this effect - I am happy to revisit those cases after clarification
if they can be marked up in a way that I can find them.

I hope this is useful.

Best Wishes

andy
Dear Andy,
(let me re-send my answer from the correct source e-mail address)

Thank you very much for your efforts of improving English.

Please kindky review the Annex A for English improving.
Tomorrow I will meet the co-editor over the Skype for further overall
action.

With best regards,
Hiroaki IKEDA


----- Original Message -----
Dear Professor Ikeda,

does the Annex. A. need reviewing for English "improving" ?
Or should this be left alone as a document from an external source ?

Kind regards

andy

In the attached I've reviewed the= english as requested and made
extensive editorial modifications and comments. Almost all of the
modifications are entirely editorial with just the odd one or two
where
I've suggested a small semantic change.

In many cases I wasn't clear what was intended and so I commented to
that effect and in some cases suggested several alternatives from
which
one can be selected. In some places I could make no sense at all of
a
few sentences so there was nothin= g I could do with it - in those
cases
I'm happy to review again and supply english text if some
clarification
of meaning can be made and the document marked up in some way so I
can
find them.

I haven't yet tackled Annex A because I'm not sure of its context
and
whether its ok to modify it - if its text taken from some external
study
then is it ok to make modifications ?

I hope this helps and am happy to look again at clarified parts
identified to need a further look and also the Annex if its
appropriate.

Cheers

andy



Cheers

andy
--
__________________
Andy Heath
http://axelafa.com








Cheers

andy



Cheers

andy
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