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Subject: Advice from Japanese MB -- Fwd: Re: Projet ISO/IEC PWI 22121-3 "On
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    <p>Here is an advice received from Japanese MB on whether 22121-3
      should be Part 1 or Part 3. Japan believes the document should be
      split before we start an NP. I undestand that the content is OK,
      but needs to be used to make two distinct documents (part 1 and
      part 3).<br>
    </p>
    <p>What do other members think ?</p>
    <p>If necessary we will discuss this in Busan before sending an NP
      (or 2 NPs).<br>
    </p>
    <p>Denis, would it be easy to do what Japanese MB recommends ?<br>
    </p>
    <p>Alain<br>
    </p>
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            <th valign="BASELINE" nowrap="nowrap" align="RIGHT">Sujet :
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            <td>Re: Projet ISO/IEC PWI 22121-3 "On screen keyboards"</td>
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            <th valign="BASELINE" nowrap="nowrap" align="RIGHT">Date : </th>
            <td>Wed, 11 Sep 2019 14:11:40 +0900</td>
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            <th valign="BASELINE" nowrap="nowrap" align="RIGHT">De : </th>
            <td>YamamotoYoshikazu <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:y__yama@me.com">&lt;y__yama@me.com&gt;</a></td>
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            <th valign="BASELINE" nowrap="nowrap" align="RIGHT">Pour : </th>
            <td>Labonte Alain <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:alabon@gmail.com">&lt;alabon@gmail.com&gt;</a></td>
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            <th valign="BASELINE" nowrap="nowrap" align="RIGHT">Copie
              à : </th>
            <td>Yoshikazu Seki <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:yoshikazu-seki@aist.go.jp">&lt;yoshikazu-seki@aist.go.jp&gt;</a></td>
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      <br>
      Dear Alain,<br>
      <br>
      We had the national meeting yesterday and decided to send the
      following comments.<br>
      <br>
      The general part of this document, that is up to 8.1, should use
      as the Part 1 and the rest from 8.2 to the last should remain as
      Part 3. However, Part 1 should include before Clause 5, an
      additional clause is necessary that explains what virtual
      keyboards are, what kinds of virtual keyboards are in the scope of
      this document, and details of each type of virtual keyboards with
      examples.<br>
      <br>
      Also, Clause 6 should be reconstructed to clarify which
      recommendations shall be adopted to which type of virtual
      keyboard.<br>
      <br>
      Interaction modes that are currently described from 8.2 should be
      included in Part 3.<br>
      <br>
      It means that the current draft is not suitable as a NP for Part
      3. We strongly recommend to restructure the draft as stated above.<br>
      <br>
      Best Regards,<br>
      Yoshikazu <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:YAMAMOTOalabon@gmail.com">YAMAMOTOalabon@gmail.com</a><br>
      ---------------------------------<br>
      Dr. Yoshikazu YAMAMOTO<br>
      <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:y__yama@me.com">y__yama@me.com</a><br>
      <br>
      <br>
      <br>
      <blockquote type="cite">2019/09/02 22:44、marcq nicolas
        <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:nicolas.marcq@afnor.org">&lt;nicolas.marcq@afnor.org&gt;</a>のメール:<br>
        <br>
        Dear all,<br>
        Here is the same message, but with the file enclosed.<br>
        <br>
        Best regards,<br>
        Nicolas De : marcq nicolas Envoyé : vendredi 30 août 2019 17:55<br>
        À : '<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:denis.chene@orange.com">denis.chene@orange.com</a>' <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:denis.chene@orange.com">&lt;denis.chene@orange.com&gt;</a>;
        Alain LaBonté [⩀⩑⫖] <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:alabon@gmail.com">&lt;alabon@gmail.com&gt;</a>; YamamotoYoshikazu
        <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:y__yama@me.com">&lt;y__yama@me.com&gt;</a>; Thibault G
        <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:thibault.grouas@culture.gouv.fr">&lt;thibault.grouas@culture.gouv.fr&gt;</a>; Carter, James
        <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:carter@cs.usask.ca">&lt;carter@cs.usask.ca&gt;</a><br>
        Cc : jean melissa <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:melissa.jean@afnor.org">&lt;melissa.jean@afnor.org&gt;</a><br>
        Objet : RE: Projet ISO/IEC PWI 22121-3 "On screen keyboards"<br>
        Dear SC 35 convenors,<br>
        Accordingly to resolution below, please find enclosed the
        resolution of comments and new draft for ISO/IEC 2212-3.<br>
        I have circulated it on SC 35 Livelink as doc N I would like to
        ask you to :<br>
        - WG 1 : Alain, send a message to WG 1 members requesting a
        position on the possible launch of a NP vote on this project.<br>
        - WG 1, WG 4, WG 5 and WG 6, send a message to your respective
        members asking on making this restructured document Part 1 of
        the series or maintain it as Part 3 no later than 2019-11-30.<br>
        <br>
        Please note you can use a Working Group consultation to do that,
        if you do not wish to bother collecting answers by email.<br>
        ð
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://isotc.iso.org/livelink/eb3/part/viewMyBallots.do?method=doAllOpen&amp;ballotTypes=">https://isotc.iso.org/livelink/eb3/part/viewMyBallots.do?method=doAllOpen&amp;ballotTypes=</a><br>
        ð New ballot – Working Group Consultation<br>
        Thanks for your participation.<br>
        Resolution 2019-43: Follow-up of resolution 2019-05 "On-screen
        keyboards – part 3" ISO/IEC JTC 1/SC 35<br>
        · requests Dr. Denis Chêne to send the disposition of comments
        received on his draft as well as a restructured document to the
        WG1 convenor before 2019-08-31 so that these be posted to the
        experts to decide internally if the project is mature enough at
        that time to send an NP with the working draft at the Busan
        meeting;<br>
        · requests the WG1, WG4, WG5 and WG6 experts to review the new
        document when posted and give directions again on making this
        restructured document Part 1 of the series or maintain it as
        Part 3 no later than 2019-11-30.<br>
        Unanimously approved<br>
        Best regards,<br>
        Nicolas<br>
        De : <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:denis.chene@orange.com">denis.chene@orange.com</a> [<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="mailto:denis.chene@orange.com">mailto:denis.chene@orange.com</a>]
        Envoyé : jeudi 29 août 2019 17:25<br>
        À : marcq nicolas <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:nicolas.marcq@afnor.org">&lt;nicolas.marcq@afnor.org&gt;</a><br>
        Cc : jean melissa <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:melissa.jean@afnor.org">&lt;melissa.jean@afnor.org&gt;</a><br>
        Objet : RE: Projet ISO/IEC PWI 22121-3 "On screen keyboards"<br>
        Bonjour Nicolas,<br>
        Veuillez trouver ci-joint le document de réponse à commentaires
        ainsi que la nouvelle version du document en objet ce mail.<br>
        Cordialement<br>
        Denis<br>
        De : marcq nicolas [<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="mailto:nicolas.marcq@afnor.org">mailto:nicolas.marcq@afnor.org</a>] Envoyé :
        jeudi 22 août 2019 15:25<br>
        À : CHENE Denis TGI/TECHNO<br>
        Cc : jean melissa<br>
        Objet : Projet ISO/IEC PWI 22121-3 "On screen keyboards"<br>
        Bonjour Denis,<br>
        Je me permets de vous relancer sur le projet de norme en objet
        de cet email.<br>
        Suite à son inscription en PWI (Pre Work Item) le 29 octobre
        2018, un appel à commentaires à été lancé avec les résultats en
        PJ.<br>
        Nous sommes maintenant en attente que vous proposiez des
        réponses à ces commentaires et que ces réponses soient
        implémentées dans le draft.<br>
        Cette nouvelle version servira à décider lors du prochain
        meeting du SC 35 (en Janvier à Busan, Corée) si le document est
        prêt à partir au vote NP (New Project).<br>
        Une résolution a été prise à Shanghai au début du mois d’août en
        ce sens.<br>
        Je vous remercie pour votre action sur ce projet.<br>
        <br>
        Bien cordialement,<br>
        Nicolas Marcq<br>
        Resolution 2019-43: Follow-up of resolution 2019-05 "On-screen
        keyboards – part 3" ISO/IEC JTC 1/SC 35<br>
        · requests Dr. Denis Chêne to send the disposition of comments
        received on his draft as well as a restructured document to the
        WG1 convenor before 2019-08-31 so that these be posted to the
        experts to decide internally if the project is mature enough at
        that time to send an NP with the working draft at the Busan
        meeting;<br>
        · requests the WG1, WG4, WG5 and WG6 experts to review the new
        document when posted and give directions again on making this
        restructured document Part 1 of the series or maintain it as
        Part 3 no later than 2019-11-30.<br>
        Unanimously approved<br>
        <br>
        Nicolas MARCQ<br>
        Chef de projet/Project manager<br>
        Département Transports , Energie et Communication<br>
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