From owner-sc35wg2+sc35wg2-domo2=www.open-std.org@open-std.org Mon Nov 2 21:37:48 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sc35wg2-domo2 Delivered-To: sc35wg2-domo2@www.open-std.org Received: by www.open-std.org (Postfix, from userid 521) id 2A57E358899; Mon, 2 Nov 2015 21:37:48 +0100 (CET) Delivered-To: sc35wg2@open-std.org Received: from rap.rap.dk (0x5551165b.adsl.cybercity.dk [85.81.22.91]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by www.open-std.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CDDAF358576 for ; Mon, 2 Nov 2015 21:37:47 +0100 (CET) Received: by rap.rap.dk (Postfix, from userid 500) id 700362A78; Mon, 2 Nov 2015 21:37:41 +0100 (CET) Received: from mail-lb0-f177.google.com (mail-lb0-f177.google.com [209.85.217.177]) (using TLSv1 with cipher RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by www.open-std.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9A3DA356668; Mon, 2 Nov 2015 21:26:04 +0100 (CET) Received: by lbbwb3 with SMTP id wb3so96115278lbb.1; Mon, 02 Nov 2015 12:26:04 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject :from:to:cc:content-type; bh=xG1NWy1VyxZ1mXxbd7J6LF1E08veyh7yDFA8/IdiSSk=; b=fnQPLbdrR8pjZMI2nRODt49ugkL+8l0YDMvOlGhx0icdypxwWvumgKNe6aVvf+S4Ym wh2KU1n/3bk+FJhi+WrOUXAT7gKOb2BmJpcZvDfW28yiu1Dn9mouu0jCyKzdkWgYKJZN Kt6PXLmWjC2+jMpXDd5XFnjegNIoG1/g3kgP17W4NHQfKTSy8atcQoIqSgYr01FqRjYO LgBfiFoN7F1GSOMVVQVy+a7dp6o2QQl7H0RCgn1r8LfplrOhYZNis5sGpLvvb9pOcDPr 1WRmlLWCgAq2NZH/6dil+TeEIs9cD924pGcIRU9sgnjGWqkl9fSBVHy0JiVyd31aj3ZN alRg== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.112.64.41 with SMTP id l9mr11254873lbs.32.1446495964059; Mon, 02 Nov 2015 12:26:04 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.25.133.66 with HTTP; Mon, 2 Nov 2015 12:26:03 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <20151102175519.0D4723587FB@www.open-std.org> References: <20151102175519.0D4723587FB@www.open-std.org> Date: Mon, 2 Nov 2015 21:26:03 +0100 X-Google-Sender-Auth: apUAQcmchLSJRhml7Z2NNcGdYBU Message-ID: Subject: Re: (SC35WG6.312) Resolutions from the ISO-JTC1/IEC 2015 Plenary meeting From: Pilar Orero To: Khalid Choukri Cc: "sc35wg1@open-std.org" , "sc35wg2@open-std.org" , "sc35wg4@open-std.org" , "sc35wg5@open-std.org" , "sc35wg6@open-std.org" , "sc35wg8@open-std.org" , magnabosco philippe Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001a11c3f5a81b6487052394966b Sender: owner-sc35wg2@open-std.org Precedence: bulk --001a11c3f5a81b6487052394966b Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Dear Khalid, Thank you very much for this report. Unfortunately the link you have provided for UK National Body input on Accessibility Document: JTC 1 N12731 doesn't work. Could you please send it again? Best regards Pilar On 2 November 2015 at 18:41, Khalid Choukri wrote: > Dear Colleagues (Convenors of SC35 WGs) > > > I am just back from the JTC1/IEC plenary meeting , held this year in > Beijing > I hope to report on that at our next meeting, in particular for the new > topics on which ISO JTC1 is putting more focus i.e. Internet of Things, > Wearable Smart devices etc. and where I argued that "users", "interfaces= ", > "accessibility" are persistent key words mentioned by many participants a= nd > that SC35 is ready to play its role with respect to its core mission with= in > these new topics (see the resolutions ; > > > > a) I made, like a few of the other chairs, a quick overview of our plans > (and business plan in particular about our long-term visions of SC35 > activities), many chairs referred to the official Business Plan and said > "nothing to add"; > > > b) Before we get to the "Chairs" item on the agenda (item 7.1, agenda is > ISO/IEC JTC 1 N12834), the UKNB had added item 6.2.3 on the proposed agen= da > that was "UK National Body input on Accessibility Document: JTC 1 N12731)= , > in which the "legitimacy" of SC35 was questioned again with respect to it= s > role on accessibility (most from Kate Grant and UK/BSI) > > I past this contribution here: > > The UKNB believes it is important that responsibility for co-ordinating > JTC 1 input to groups such as the SYS-AAL committee and Wearables SG in > IEC, and assisted living in ISO is managed in an entity which can gather > appropriate comments from JTC 1 experts in various committees (e.g. SC 29= , > SC 35, and SC 37) and ensure that JTC 1 expertise is employed in such wor= k > and not duplicated. > > > I replied that I was very surprised when I read such contribution; that i= n > my view it goes against the Resolution 22 of the previous ISO JTC1 29th > plenary meeting in Abu Dhabi. > > I stated again that, we have taken actions to put in operation this > resolution and it is premature to report on concrete results at this stag= e; > that the SC35 has already considered this mission and added it to its > Business Plan as: [Future revision of 20138-1 =E2=80=9CUser accessibilit= y needs", > Formerly JTC 1/SWG Accessibility work ] > > I insisted that my arguments from the last year are still valid: > > > - *SC35/WG6 has many of the same participants as have been working on > the user accessibility needs, and all those who have been currently wo= rking > on them are eligible for being nominated as experts to SC35/WG6. * > - *(While SWG-A has been allowed to include as members people > nominated by bodies outside ISO, there has not been any active > participation from such people for a number of years.)* > - *Jim Carter is the editor of all three SWG-A documents and is the > convenor of SC35/WG6 so he is well positioned to aid in making the > transition between SWG-A and SC35/WG6 where the wider active participa= tion > in SC35/WG6 will aid in doing a better job of developing and reviewing > these documents.* > > and I insisted that such transition is what we see now. > > This position has been strongly seconded by the USA and FRANCE delegation= s. > > The UK reply was that nothing is visible from SC35 web site and that the > liaison reports are not accessible for the experts even if they could > connect to the AFNOR Livelink. > > =3D=3D> This is probably true, my feeling is that our liaison reports (1)= are > not very formal (and are not drafted in advance as N documents) and (2) a= re > not published in advance for outsiders. > =3D=3D> I promised to improve this very quickly and I suggested to report= to > the next year's plenary on this matter (Hence the resolution 4 of this > plenary) > > > actions for all of us: > =3D> We need to take this very seriously and make sure all our liaison > officers are aware of this and ask them for intermediate reports whenever > appropriate > =3D> make sure that all liaison reports are published according to ISO JT= C1 > timeline as N documents and ensure their accessibility via the AFNOR > Livelink > > Philippe: Can we update the list of liaisons and plan for these to be > N-documents for our meeting in August > Jim/All: we need to define the best way to pursue this mission and report > to the plenary > Philippe: I would like to have this "report to JTC1 2016 plenary" on our > agenda, prepared and discussed at the Korea meeting pls, with input from > all. > > > c) Before the plenary , with Philippe, we realized that my appointment fo= r > a second term was not discussed in Sapporo and it was too late to come up > with a resolution for this to be adopted by email; hence the suggestion f= or > my nomination for 1 year to be confirmed at the next meeting in Korea > (resolution 9); > > > > > > d)during the Chairs' meeting on Thursday, a few of the chairs, including > myself, questioned the value of the Business Plans that we produce ever > year and that look as administrative docs that no one reads , and it wa= s > agreed to think of something more useful and "operational" , both for the > SCs and for JTC1. > We set a small committee to discuss this before end of 2015, I will bring > this up with you in due time; > > > Please feel free to share this document (or parts of it) with your group > and if you think I missed something important or controversial from the > resolutions, please drop me a word. > > Best regards > Khalid > > -- > > ************************************************* > * Khalid CHOUKRI * > ELRA General Secretary & ELDA CEO > email: choukri@elda.org ; Web: www.elra.info www.elda.org > Tel. +33 1 43 13 33 33 - Fax. +33 1 43 13 33 30 > *************************************************** > ** > * Info on LREC: www.lrec-conf.org > **************************************************** * > --=20 Pilar Orero Edifici MRA 126 - Campus UAB 08193 Bellaterra Barcelona T. +34 622 751 958 http://gent.uab.cat/pilarorero/ http://grupsderecerca.uab.cat/transmedia/ --001a11c3f5a81b6487052394966b Content-Type: text/html; 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De= ar Khalid,
Tha= nk you very much for this report.=C2=A0
Unfortunately the link you have provided for=C2= =A0UK National Body input on Accessibility D= ocument: JTC 1 N12731 doesn't work.
Could you p= lease send it again?
Best regards
Pilar

On 2 November 2015 at 18:41, Khalid Choukri <choukri@elda.org= > wrote:
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Dear Colleagues (Convenors of SC35 WGs)


I am just back from the JTC1/IEC plenary meeting , held this year in Beijing
I hope to report on that at our next meeting, in particular for the new topics on which ISO JTC1 is putting more focus i.e. Internet of Things, Wearable Smart devices etc.=C2=A0 and where I argued that "users", "interfaces", "accessibility" ar= e persistent key words mentioned by many participants and that SC35 is ready to play its role with respect to its core mission within these new topics (see the resolutions ;



a) I made, like a few of the other chairs, a quick overview of our plans (and business plan in particular about our long-term visions of SC35 activities), many chairs referred to the official Business Plan and said "nothing to add";


b) Before we get to the "Chairs" item on the agenda (item 7.1= ,=C2=A0 agenda is =20 ISO/IEC JTC 1 N12834), the UKNB had added item 6.2.3 on the proposed agenda that was "UK National Body input on Accessibility Document: JTC 1 N12731),
in which the "legitimacy" of SC35 was questioned again with r= espect to its role on accessibility (most from Kate Grant and UK/BSI)

I past this contribution here:
=20
=C2=A0The UKNB believes it is important that responsibility for co-ordinating JTC 1 input to groups such as the SYS-AAL committee and Wearables SG in IEC, and assisted living in ISO is managed in an entity which can gather appropriate comments from JTC 1 experts in various committees (e.g. SC 29, SC 35, and SC 37) and ensure that JTC 1 expertise is employed in such work and not duplicated.

=20 =20

I replied that I was very surprised when I read such contribution; that in my view it goes against the Resolution 22 of the previous ISO JTC1 29th plenary meeting in Abu Dhabi.

I stated again that, we have taken actions to put in operation this resolution and it is premature to report on concrete results at this stage; that the SC35 has already considered this mission and added it to its Business Plan=C2=A0 as: [Future revision of 20138-1 =E2=80=9C= User accessibility needs", Formerly JTC 1/SWG Accessibility work ]

I insisted that my arguments from the last year are still valid:
  • SC35/WG6 has many of the same participants as have been working on the user accessibility needs, and all those who have been currently working on them are eligible for being nominated as experts to SC35/WG6.
  • (While SWG-A has been allowed to include as members people nominated by bodies outside ISO, there has not been any active participation from such people for a number of years.)
  • Jim Carter is the editor of all three SWG-A documents and is=C2=A0 the convenor of SC35/WG6 so he is well positioned to aid in making the transition between SWG-A and SC35/WG6 where the wider active participation in SC35/WG6 will aid in doing a better job of developing and reviewing these documents.
and I insisted that such transition is what we see now.

This position has been strongly seconded by the USA and FRANCE delegations.

The UK reply was that nothing is visible from SC35 web site and that the liaison reports are not accessible for the experts even if they could connect to the AFNOR Livelink.

=3D=3D> This is probably true, my feeling is that our liaison report= s (1) are not very formal (and are not drafted in advance as N documents) and (2) are not published in advance for outsiders.
=3D=3D> I promised to improve this very quickly and I suggested to report to the next year's plenary on this matter (Hence the resolution 4 of this plenary)


actions for all of us:
=3D> We need to take this very seriously and make sure all our liaison officers are aware of this and ask them for intermediate reports whenever appropriate
=3D> make sure that all liaison reports are published according to ISO JTC1 timeline as N documents and ensure their accessibility via the AFNOR Livelink

Philippe: Can we update the list of liaisons and plan for these to be N-documents for our meeting in August
Jim/All: we need to define the best way to pursue this mission and report to the plenary
Philippe: I would like to have this "report to JTC1 2016 plenary&q= uot; on our agenda,=C2=A0 prepared and discussed at the Korea meeting pls, with input from all.


c) Before the plenary , with Philippe, we realized that my appointment for a second term was not discussed in Sapporo and it was too late to come up with a resolution for this to be adopted by email; hence the suggestion for my nomination for 1 year to be confirmed at the next meeting in Korea (resolution 9);





d)during the Chairs' meeting on Thursday,=C2=A0 a few of the chairs= , including myself, questioned the value of the Business Plans that=C2=A0 we produce ever year and that look as administrative docs that no one reads , =C2=A0 and it was agreed to think of something more useful and "operational" , both for the SCs and for JTC1.
We set a small committee to discuss this before end of 2015, I will bring this up with you in due time;


Please feel free to share this document (or parts of it) with your group and if you think I missed something important or controversial from the resolutions, please drop me a word.

Best regards
Khalid

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Khalid CHOUKRI
ELRA General Secretary & ELDA CEO
email: choukr= i@elda.org ; Web: ww= w.elra.info www.elda.= org
Tel. +33 1 43 13 33 33 - Fax. +33 1 43 = 13 33 30
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** Info on LREC: www.lrec-conf.org
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Edi= fici MRA=C2=A0126 =C2=A0- Campus UAB
08193 Bellaterra
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