Andy Heath

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On 30 Jan 2014, at 18:15, Khalid CHOUKRI <choukri@elda.org> wrote:

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Carter, James wrote, On 30/01/2014 15:49:

How is Philippe going to circulate a "a general schedul=
e of the meetings of the WGs 1,2,4,6,7)," when there has been NO consultatio=
n with the WG convenors?

This is indeed what I did ask Philippe to do yesterday and I will make sure that such plans are shared with all of us before end of the week , so I hope to see this tomorrow.
Of course we can still revise it if necessary but at least I do expect to have a clear picture of the way things are planned, coordinated , etc. like all of us I guess;

In order to have SC35 work efficiently it is essential t=
hat the needs of the WGs be considered.

Fully agree , for me SC35 is only the umbrella that is composed of all WGs and it does not make sens to SC35 activities outside the WGs;

All the best
Khalid

Regards, Jim
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Subject: (SC35WG4.87) (SC35WG2.20) (SC35WG1.507) JTC1/SC35 meeting - Barcelo=
na, week of 10 February 2014

Hi Alain,
I am responding to this email , now that we got more input from our secretar=
iat,

ALB wrote, On 28/01/2014 15:57:
Le 2014-01-28 =C3=A0 08:32, Khalid CHOUKRI a =C3=A9crit :
Well I am surprised to see that (and hope this is only WG1!) , let us discus=
s it again and see how to move forward.

[Alain]  So far I have seen unanimity of those who expressed their views fro=
m other WGs as well (Seki San, Jim, Monique, Karl, Keld, etc.). Nobody else s=
aid the view I expressed on GOM was not the best and most efficient one, and=
 the one understood in Saskatoon too at our infornal meeting. That is why I s=
ay it is certainly only a misunderstanding between those who knew GOMs and y=
ou, Khalid (no offence intended, of course, I'm just in search of the best).=
 Btw GOM is a concept invented by AFNOR at the time (for meetings when the s=
ecretary could not be present). It pleased everybody. It seems it still plea=
ses.

I am happy to see that we all targeting the same objective, though we have d=
ifferent approaches to achieve it. I do not think there was any misunderstan=
ding about the operations of the WGs, I have been briefed by Yves and Philip=
pe but yo are right (and I am not offended, I appreciate your fair and frien=
dly involvement in this discussion), I know that I have so much to learn. Bu=
t this does not (should not) prevent us from thinking of our approaches and h=
ow to improve our processes.

I have seen that most of the work is done on site and I would like to see mo=
re of this done during the periods between meetings via email, skype, and if=
 necessary wikis.
I attended the JTC1 meeting last November and was surprised to see that most=
 of the SCs meet once a year (or even less), many of their WGs members  meet=
 at conferences for a day or two.

Given Philippe's remarks , I suggest that we go ahead with the WGs meetings (=
I have asked Philippe to circulate a general schedule of the meetings of the=
 WGs 1,2,4,6,7), and let us have a short meeting on Monday morning all toget=
her to plan the activities of the week.

best regards

Khalid

   Some other remarks:

1) not all P-members are represented at Plenaries with a capital P, unfortun=
ately. There is no reason to be more severe concerning this at resolution pl=
enaries with a small p. In general, except for one or 2 exceptions, member b=
odies really participating in making projects attend all meetings (that said=
 without diminishing the importance of others who still show their solidarit=
y in the voting process of documents to be published, which is very importan=
t and the name of the game in international standards).

2) The notion of quorum is important (both at Plenaries and "plenaries" [GOM=
s]). Resolutions taken by GOMs should be as executory as those taken at Plen=
aries because there is a quorum (without letter ballot to approve those reso=
lutions again). Whether these resolutions are approved in a GOM or in a sing=
le WG should not matter. In other SCs, even when there is an interim meeting=
 (no Plenary), resolutions of WGs are executory immediately ans are not appr=
oved twice in a further letter ballot (case in point : JTC1/SC2, in which I a=
m active both as convernor and editor).

3) GOMs just assures SC35 coherence, as there are multiple projects that int=
er-relates WGs (which may be not the case in other SCs). It is essential to h=
ave constant coherence, all year round. This GOM process does not violate an=
y ISO or IEC rule to my nowledge (on the contrary, it improves efficience), i=
t is an internal process (checked by AFNOR at the time). It also ensures the=
re is no dispersion, and should be an asset more to ensure that nothing is f=
orgotten, Dividing SC35 further would not be a good idea, it would be detrim=
ental to coherence, I'm convinced about this.

Alain
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