From owner-sc35wg2+sc35wg2-domo2=www.open-std.org@open-std.org Tue Jan 28 00:16:22 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sc35wg2-domo2 Delivered-To: sc35wg2-domo2@www.open-std.org Received: by www.open-std.org (Postfix, from userid 521) id 44775358586; Tue, 28 Jan 2014 00:16:21 +0100 (CET) Delivered-To: sc35wg2@open-std.org X-Greylist: delayed 3601 seconds by postgrey-1.34 at www5.open-std.org; Tue, 28 Jan 2014 00:16:20 CET Received: from smtp.usask.ca (smtp.usask.ca [128.233.192.40]) by www.open-std.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DFD1D3567F1; Tue, 28 Jan 2014 00:16:20 +0100 (CET) Received: from conversion-daemon.usask.ca by usask.ca (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 7.3-11.01 64bit (built Sep 1 2009)) id <0N0200H00Z478K00@usask.ca>; Mon, 27 Jan 2014 16:16:17 -0600 (CST) Received: from CAMPUSCAS4.usask.ca (campuscas4.usask.ca [128.233.194.195]) by usask.ca (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 7.3-11.01 64bit (built Sep 1 2009)) with ESMTPS id <0N02009ZTZ75W2A0@usask.ca>; Mon, 27 Jan 2014 16:16:17 -0600 (CST) Received: from CAMPUSMB3.usask.ca ([fe80::e187:90d:c433:4ada]) by CAMPUSCAS4.usask.ca ([::1]) with mapi id 14.03.0174.001; Mon, 27 Jan 2014 16:16:17 -0600 Date: Mon, 27 Jan 2014 22:16:17 +0000 From: "Carter, James" Subject: RE: (SC35WG6.156) JTC1/SC35 meeting - Barcelona, week of 10 February 2014 In-reply-to: <20140127221247.7206A358590@www.open-std.org> X-Originating-IP: [174.2.186.53] To: ALB , "choukri@elda.org" , "yoshikazu-seki@aist.go.jp" , "jeeink@gmail.com" , "monique.mai@orange.com" , "keld@keldix.com" , "thibault.grouas@culture.gouv.fr" Cc: "sc35wg1@open-std.org" , "philippe.magnabosco@afnor.org" , mouradi amelle , "sc35wg2@open-std.org" , "sc35wg4@open-std.org" , "sc35wg6@open-std.org" , "sc35wg8@open-std.org" Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_NPWKgRaARwrsQpvMGIKavA)" Content-language: en-GB Accept-Language: en-GB, en-US Thread-topic: (SC35WG6.156) JTC1/SC35 meeting - Barcelona, week of 10 February 2014 Thread-index: AQHPGpmiGH3sAjREJk+PGpgYpV8jFpqZZSIA//+/oQE= X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: References: <20140122172940.B3F8C3584AA@www.open-std.org> <20140123112109.0C7A03584A4@www.open-std.org> <7.0.1.0.2.20140123085015.07914c90@gmail.com> <52E233C9.2050607@elda.org> <20140124100646.E127A3584D1@www.open-std.org> <20140124102540.3546D3584D0@www.open-std.org> <20140125131729.GA30991@www5.open-std.org> <20140125134111.7A7B2358497@www.open-std.org> <20140126090701.E8D5735837D@www.open-std.org> <20140126101336.54A9B3583DC@www.open-std.org> <0283A317-7EFC-4E35-8E2C-95717C3C76AA@elda.org> <20140127221247.7206A358590@www.open-std.org> Sender: owner-sc35wg2@open-std.org Precedence: bulk --Boundary_(ID_NPWKgRaARwrsQpvMGIKavA) Content-type: text/plain; charset=Windows-1252 Content-transfer-encoding: QUOTED-PRINTABLE On behalf or WG6 and WG7, I agree with Alain's position. There are many activities in SC35 that involve multiple WGs and the f= inal resolutions session of our GOMs has played an important role in = both achieving agreement and in formalizing actions coming out of our= various WG meetings. Not having such a meeting and then waiting for = a letter ballot would be very inefficient. Regards, Jim Carter, convenor WG6 and WG7 ________________________________ =46rom: owner-sc35wg6@open-std.org [owner-sc35wg6@open-std.org] on be= half of ALB [alabon@gmail.com] Sent: 27 January 2014 14:03 To: choukri@elda.org; yoshikazu-seki@aist.go.jp; jeeink@gmail.com; mo= nique.mai@orange.com; keld@keldix.com; Carter, James; thibault.grouas= @culture.gouv.fr Cc: sc35wg1@open-std.org; philippe.magnabosco@afnor.org; mouradi amel= le; sc35wg2@open-std.org; sc35wg4@open-std.org; sc35wg6@open-std.org;= sc35wg8@open-std.org Subject: (SC35WG6.156) JTC1/SC35 meeting - Barcelona, week of 10 Febr= uary 2014 The only misunderstanding, Khalid, is about the resolution meeting= that has been going on smoothly in the past years in absence of the = secretary for interim meetings (non-Plenary with an upper-case P). AF= NOR had come with a concept, the GOM (General Orientation meeting, a = small plenary, in fact a resolution meeting) which was (and should co= ntinue to be according to the reactions seen) a resolution meeting af= ter WG meetings. The resolutions were then executable immediately wit= hout the need for a letter ballot (which would be an extra administra= tive burden, as P- countries have quorum to decide directcly at the m= eeting). The only case where I have seen a resolution being sent for letter= ballot after a meeting is recent, when the resolution had not been n= oted in official resolutions of a meeting and adoption then remaining= uncertain. If this would becore a custom, that would be is an uncess= ary delay, an extra element thant would make sure things will not be = done on time. But in a GOM, resolutions were always adopted by HoDs o= f represented countries. There is no reason to fix what is not broken= , and thisGOM process has always been working very well so far, it i= s very far to be broken. On the contrary, if we modify this process, = other things will be more broken than ever, imho. What is broken is that many times resolutions are not executed pro= mptly, without me wanting here to discuss about responsibilities (whi= ch are not always the fact of one person). Our goal should be that re= solutions be executed so that the work be done and publications achie= ved. This process is broken, still, and should be fixed as smoothly a= s possible. GOMS are a winning process and should continue for interim meeting= s. This is what I had understood in Saskatoon, and it seems it was un= derstood by others too (so far unanimously), according to the reactio= ns seen of the WG1 forum. Alain ______________________________________ Le 2014-01-26 =E0 08:22, Khalid Choukri a =E9crit : Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64Dear colleagues Let me first express some astonishment regarding the reactions I have= read since Alain's email about the plenary versus GOM meetings, and= our SC35 plans. I think we devote time to discuss this issue in Saskatoon and reviewe= d all arguments pros and cons and the main conclusion was that we hea= d to an annual meeting with a plenary, a WG meetings, and a resolutio= n session; all running over 4 to 5 days. The intermediate meeting (the one in February this year) would be tur= ned into a meeting of experts as required by the corresponding WG age= nda (which means some WGs would skip that meeting if no item requires= a face to face meeting). So again, the proposed modus operandi as We discussed it in Saskatoon= would be: 1/ (As long as necessary) a winter/spring technical meeting to addres= s and make progress on technical matters that may (or not) lead to re= solutions. This could be an opportunity to finalize WG reports that r= equire face to face meeting of all experts. 2/ An annual meeting with a plenary session to review the work progre= ss, including the secretariat work and WG resolutions 3/ if a decision/action is taken during the technical meeting, the se= cretariat will turn this into a resolution and bring it to adoption (= electronic vote) and ensure its execution, We also discussed the scheduling of our meetings and many requirement= s and desiderata were expressed: I would like to ensure participation= of all delegates (which excludes the major holiday seasons e.g. Chri= stmas, Chinese new year, etc.) and necessitates a consensus for two-t= hree years in advance. I have asked Philippe to circulate the details of the Barcelona meeti= ng, I hope we will get it tomorrow (Monday). I understand that most o= f us are upset because of the missing agenda and plans 10 days before= the meeting. I hope that you made your arrangements for your flights= and will share with you informations on accommodations this week. Best regards Khalid > Le 26 janv. 2014 =E0 11:13, Yoshikazu SEKI a =E9crit : > > Dear All, B=8F=88H[=DB=C8=DD\=DC=80t Alain's position. > > We need to gather conclusions of WGs' meetings somehow, and also ne= ed to have opportunity to know WGs' activities. We also need to decid= e consolidated next actions after the meeting. > =98\=D9Y=DB=88=D3=C0M model, we can have Resolutions even in the meet= ing where the secretary is absent. > =99\=DD=99Y=D8\=99=CBB=8F=88B=82=AD=F0shikazu Seki B=8F=88B=8F=88=8CM=CCK=CC=8D=88M=CE=8DNx=E0 O[=DB=9A\]YK=9BXZP=C0rang= e.com> =E3=81=AE=E3=83=A1=E3=83=BC=E3=83= =AB=EF=BC=9A B=80>> Dear all, =88B=8F=82f=97'7B=F6b=C6=C2=C2=92v=F7V=C6B=C6=AD=B6RF=F2v=976=82you a= happy new year 2014 (sorry for sending this message late (my dad pas= s away at the end of 2013 and I was pretty busy in the begin of the n= ew year.) >B=8F=8F=88=D9[=D9Hneed a "strong cooperation between WG's in SC35" a= nd I fully understand, support Allan's position. =88B=8F=82=F6b6=F0urse, the model adapted during the last session can= save of course expenses. Nethertheless, it really seems to me that t= he needs of a global meeting for having an overview of the activities= of the different subgroup and the opportunity to get an exchange in = face to face could be e an opportunity to wrap up the seminar, stimul= ate by this method the cooperation and a team spirit within the SC35.= The collective creativity can emerge and I am sure it could be final= ly an opportunity to stimulate all the energies in favour our trement= ous goal "the accessibility". >B=80>> If it is necessary, I propose to help Allan or to act for wri= tting the resolutions if Philippe is not here (of course with his sup= port). >B=8F=8F=88]YH=DB=9B=DD=C8Y=88\=C8roposal can help ; my current visio= n is that a tremendous job was done and the cohesion of the SC35 is e= ssential. =88B=8F=82f=F7"=AD=F7W"=AD=E6f=F7&=D6F=AD=F6=E2=C2FV=E6=9726=8C:=A6= =E6R=E6B=D7=976V=C6bttend the Barcelone meeting. We really think that= we have to take in account the Allan, Keld, Jim comments. =88@ >=99\=DD=99Y=D8\=99=CBB=8F=82=D0=A3=E3=E2=D6=F6=E6=97VP=D0=A3=E3=E2= =D0 =F8=804(=F8 >> > >B=8F=8F=88B=83=E2=D0=A3Q=94=80=E8=81=BD=DD=B9=95=C8=B5=CD=8C=CC=D5= =DD=9C=C5=BDU=B8=B5=CD=D1=90=B9=BD=C9=9C=81m=B5=84ilto:owner-sc35wg1@= open-std.org] De la part de ALB >[=80voy=E9 : samedi 25 janvier 2014 14:41 =880=E0=88=D9[=D9[^.com; Jee-In Kim >> Cc : Carter, James; Khalid CHOUKRI; sc35wg1@open-std.org; philippe= .magnabosco@afnor.org; amelle.mouradi@afnor.org >=D8=9A=99]=88 =D0=CC=CDU=D1=CCK=8DNJH=91N=88=98Y=9DAgenda - JTC1/SC35/WG1 meeting -= Barcelona, week of 10 February 2014 >B=8F=8F=88H=8CMLKL=8DH0=E8=8CM=CB=D9[=D9[^=98=C0om =E9crit: >>X\=88[B=83=E3=E2=D0 =F8=F8=81$=81=85=B1=CD=BC=81=CD=D5A=BD=C9=D0= =81=B1=85=A5=B8=9Cs propositions. =8F=88B=83=E3=E2=92=E6=F7FRF=86BF=86Rtw2v=AD=C6=C2=86fP resolutions, = and that these resolutions should >=88=99H=C0arried out bu the SC without unnessecary delay, eg. confir= med via a >>=D0=C8]\=88=98[=DD\=C8=D9H\=D9H=C8=C8=DA[=88=D9@ run GOMs. >> =88=D0[Z[=97H[=88=98X=DDY=9D\=88[=D3=D3\=CB=99\=C0olutions were execu= ted, we have not done letter ballots to vote on these resolutions lat= er on. >B=8F=8F=88=9D]=DA[=88a ballot was called by a resolution for a NP, C= D, DIS, PDTR, etc,, this ballot was done without extra formality . Th= is is the typical situation for most resolutions. =88@ >\=C8\=C8H[=DC=DDY=99=9AX=DAY[=9D=D8^H=C8=9B=D8=D9YY[Z=9BB=8F=8F=88 =88[Z[=83B=8F=8F=88B=83=E3=E2&W2&Vv&G0=D0=A3=E0=F8=81-=95=B1=904(>> =8F=82=F6=E0 Fri, Jan 24, 2014 at 07:25:28PM +0900, Jee-In Kim wrote: =8F=82FV"=C6=C2=A3=E3=E0=F8=804(=F8>> I also support Alain's position= and interpretation. =8F=82=D0=A3=E3=E0=F8=81]=94=81=C9=95=85=B1=B1=E4=81=B9=95=95=90=81= =84=81=CD=D0rong cooperation between WG's in SC35. >=8F=88=9B=DC=88^[\K we received a lot of valuable comments from expe= rts in all WG's in SC35 to the 30113 series of gesture interfaces. Th= at seems to me one of the great advantages of the GOM model. I expect= that we need more cooperation in the future. >>=88B=8F=83=E3=E2=C76=F2=C2vR6=E2&RfW'=92&=F6GV7F=97fRv=97F=82F=80e = GOM model while relieving burdens and expenses of the secretariat. Th= is seems a very practical solution to me. >>=88B=8F=83=E3=E2&W7B=A3=E0=F8=F8=81)=95=94=B5%=B8=81-=A5=B4=80=A1= =A5A=85=90=A44(=F8>> =8F=82#14. 1. 24. =CF=F3=F2s=A3b$6'FW"=C2=A6=D6W2"=C66'FW$72=E7W66= =B2=E60a> ??=CF=E0=D0=A3=E3=E0=F8=804(=F8>>H=99[Y]=99H]\=99H\=99H= =98\=9A[=DD\=C0 interpretations of what we discussed. Alain definitel= y discussed the GOM model as a means of meeting without plenary in th= e Saskatoon discussions. Given the context of history within SC35, ma= ny participants have a valid expectation that that was what was agree= d to. >=8F=82=D0=A3=E3=E0=F8=F8=81I=95=9Cards, Jim =8F=83=E2g&=F6=D3=A2=B6=86=C6=ADB4=84=F5T=B5$=92=B66=86=F7V=B7&=94V= =C6F=E6=F7&u=D0=D0 >=8F=826V=E7C=A2#B=A6=E7V'=92#B3=A33P=D0=A3=E3=E0=F8=F8=81Q=BC=E8= =81 =85=C9=D1=95=C8=B0=81)=85=B4es; ALB; sc35wg1@open-std.org >=8F=8263=A2=86=AD=C6=97R=E6=D6v=E6&=F0sco@afnor.org; amelle.mouradi@= afnor.org =8F=83=E27V&=A6V7C=A2e: (SC35WG1.492) Draft Agenda - JTC1/SC35/WG1 me= eting - Barcelona, week of 10 February 2014 >>=8F=88B=83=E3=E0=F8=81!=A4=81)=A5=B44 >=8F=82=D0=A3=E3=E0=F8=F8=81Q=A1=A5=CC=81=A5=CC=81=DD=A1=85=D0=81= =DD=94=81=91=A5=CD=8D=D5=CD=CD=95=90=81=85=B1=B0=81=D1=BD=9D=95=D1= =A1=95=C8=81=89=BD=D0h in Busan and Saskatoon and, after the discussi= ons, I announced that we are heading towards an annual plenary meetin= g with, as many as required, technical meetings. =8F=80> The agreement was that we have our plenaries in the summer (e= nd of June, early July) and a technical one in February this time. =8F=83=E2=D0=A3=E0=F8=F8 Philippe: Could you please circulate the in= fo on the February meeting =8F=83=E2=D0=A3=E0>>B=8F=8F=83=E3=E2&W7B&Vv&G2F=F2=C6=C2=A3=E0=F8= =F8 Khalid >>=8F=88B=80>>=88=D8\=9D\=8B=98[Y\=C8=DC=9B=DDK=DB=88=8D=CCK=CC=8CM= =8D=CE=83B=8F=8F=83=E3d=80strongly agree with Alain that the GOM mode= l that we have historically used works well to promote the well being= and success of SC35 and that to do less would be to invite major pro= blems in the working and success of SC35. =8F=80>> =8F=83=E3=E2&Vv&G2=C2=A6=AD=D0=D0 =F8=F8>> __________________________= ______ >=8F=83=E2g&=F6=D3=A2=C4"=B6=C6&=F6=E4v=D6=AD=A66=F6=D5=D0=D0 =F8= =F8>> Sent: 23 January 2014 08:25 =8F=83=E3=E2F=F3=A2=B6=86=C6=ADB4=84=F5T=B5$=93=B2633Pwg1@open-std.or= g >>=8F=8263=A2=86=AD=C6=97R=E6=D6v=E6&=F766=F4f=E6=F7"=E6=F7 g; amelle= .mouradi@afnor.org; Carter, James =8F=83=E3=E27V&=A6V0t: Re: (SC35WG1.492) Draft Agenda - JTC1/SC35/WG1= meeting - Barcelona, week of 10 February 2014 >=8F=83=E2=D0=A3=E0=F8=F8> Khalid, =8F=83=E3=E2=D0 =F8=F8>> OK, I updated the timeframe of the agenda (s= ee attached file, 2nd draft agenda). >=8F=83=E2=D0 >=8F=83=E2=86=F7vWfW"=92F=86=AD=E6=B2F=86BF=86W&R6=86=F7V=C6B&R=D2= =D22vR=86`e always done -- a P plenary session at the end to have con= solidated resolutions, not dispersed resolutions in each WG (AFNOR us= ed to call such a meeting a GOM [General Orientation Meeting, a term = invented by them for meetings where the secretariat was absent, a sit= uation with which we got used to and to which we adapted as it seemed= the best solution in this case] when it was not a formal Plenary). O= therwise I strongly fear that SC35 will be weakened, disorganized, an= d incoherent between formal plenaries (we need to be sure that decisi= ons will be cared about and focused in a central point). The sentimen= t of "belonging" will also vanish, and groups will feel autonomous (l= et's then form a different SC !) or not cared about (one situation or= the other, not much in between). The net result, imho, will be that = interest in attendance could go down. That is my experience of JTC1 = meetings since more than a quarter century. >>=8F=82=D0=A3=E3=E0=F8=F8 We have always have consolidated resolutio= ns since the creation of SC35 in 1999 (SC35 was created by JTC1 at it= s Rio de Janeiro Plenary in January 1999, I was there -- out of JTC1/= WG5, itself out of JTC1/SC18/WG9). This strenghtened SC35 all the tim= e, making it a coherent body. When the secretary was not there, I was= acting as resolution secretary (no problem in my doing so again, and= many other people could also do so -- in any way I can still volunte= er if this is a problem). >=8F=83=E2=D0=A3=E0=F8=F8> About future meetings, I think that we mus= t have strong hints (at least a firm date and a firm continent, ideal= ly a firm country) for 18 months in advance (funds planning is typica= lly done -- depending on countries -- on a civil year, from January t= o December or from another month up to the next eleven months over sp= anning civil years [in Canada as a case in point from April to March = of the next civil year). In absence of those strong hints, funds have= more chances not to be sufficiently available, which is also very mu= ch detrimental to sustainable attendance. >>=8F=82=D0=A3=E3=E0=F8=F8 I'm pretty sure that other convenors will = agree with me. If not, I'm ready to modestly say I have a dissident v= iew and would then accept the views of the majority. >=8F=83=E2=D0=A3=E0=F8=F8> Alain >>=8F=82=F5=F5=F5=F5=F5=F5=F5=F5=F5=F5=F5=F5=F5=F5=F5=F5=F5=F5=F5= =F5=F5=F5=F5=F5=F5=F5=F5=F5=F5=F5=F5=F5=F5=F5=F5=F5=F5=F5=F0=D0=A3= =E3=E0=F8=F8 Le 2014-01-23 =E0 06:13, Khalid CHOUKRI a =E9crit : >=8F=83=E2=D0 >=8F=83=E2=86=92=C6=AD=E0=D0=A3=E3=E0=F8=F8 >>=8F=822w&VVBB=F7W"66=B6@oon meeting there will be no "Plenary" sess= ions per see in Barcelona, =8F=83=E3=E2=D0 =F8=F8>> I hope to join the group and introduce the a= ctivities of the week but this could be an informal introduction on M= onday morning , Philippe is looking at that and this should not last = more than 30mn; >=8F=83=E2=D0=A3=E0=F8=F8> The same decision impacts the closing sess= ion (there will be no closing meeting and hence no resolution session= ), I hope to be able to attend a general gathering (may be on Thursda= y) to wrap up and see how we move forward with respect to the July me= eting. >=8F=83=E2=D0=A3=E0>>=88=99Y=D8\=99[=99=C8[=DD\=88][H=DB=88=9D]\=99HY= Y][=99=DC=C8H=DDY=D9=D9\=DD=C8leave this out unless you would like to= get the participants desiderata (and hopefully Philippe will circula= te the invitation from our Chinese partners before Barcelona) >>=8F=82=D0=A3=E3=E0=F8=F8 thanks again and best wishes to all for a = successful meeting in Barcelona >=8F=83=E2=D0=A3=E0=F8=F8> Khalid >=8F=83=E2=D0=A3=E0=F8=F8> P.S. Philippe: could you please update the= SC35 action list, in particular with the information you got from Sp= ain, thanks >>=8F=82=D0=A3=E3=E0=F8=F8 >>=8F=82=C6=AD=E0 LaBont=EF=B0=AFH=DC=9B=DDK=DB=88=8C=8B=CCK=CC=8CMN= =8C=8EN=83B=8F=83=E3=E0=F8=81M=95=94=81=85=D1=D0ached file. Please in= dicate omissions, errors, if any, and suggest other areas of concerns= . >>=8F=82=D0=A3=E3=E0=F8=F8 Any other remark also welcome. >>=8F=82=D0=A3=E3=E0=F8=F8 Alain LaBont=E9, Convenor, JTC1/SC35/WQG1 >=8F=83=E2\:=AD&V0=D0 =F8=F8>> =8F=80>> --- =8F=83=E3=E26R6=F7W'&=ADW":=AD=C6V7G&=F6=E6=97VR=E6R6=F6=E7F=ADV=E7BV= 7Pn virus ou logiciel malveillant parce que la protection avast! 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On behalf or WG6 and WG7, I agree with Alain's position.

There are many activities in SC35 that involve multiple WGs and the f= inal resolutions session of our GOMs has played an important role in = both achieving agreement and in formalizing actions coming out of our= various WG meetings. Not having such a meeting and then waiting for a letter ballot would be very inefficient.

Regards, Jim Carter, convenor WG6 and WG7
From: owner-sc35wg6@open-std.= org [owner-sc35wg6@open-std.org] on behalf of ALB [alabon@gmail.com]<= br> Sent: 27 January 2014 14:03
To: choukri@elda.org; yoshikazu-seki@aist.go.jp; jeeink@gmail.= com; monique.mai@orange.com; keld@keldix.com; Carter, James; thibault= .grouas@culture.gouv.fr
Cc: sc35wg1@open-std.org; philippe.magnabosco@afnor.org; moura= di amelle; sc35wg2@open-std.org; sc35wg4@open-std.org; sc35wg6@open-s= td.org; sc35wg8@open-std.org
Subject: (SC35WG6.156) JTC1/SC35 meeting - Barcelona, week of = 10 February 2014

   The only misunderstanding, Khalid,= is about the resolution meeting that has been going on smoothly in t= he past years in absence of the secretary for interim meetings (non-P= lenary with an upper-case P). AFNOR had come with a concept, the GOM (General Orientation meeting, a small plenary, in fact a resolut= ion meeting) which was (and should continue to be according to the re= actions seen) a resolution meeting after WG meetings. The resolutions= were then executable immediately without the need for a letter ballot (which would be an extra administrative burden, = as P- countries have quorum to decide directcly at the meeting).

   The only case where I have seen a resolution being sent = for letter ballot after a meeting is recent, when the resolution had = not been noted in official resolutions of a meeting and adoption then= remaining uncertain. If this would becore a custom, that would be is an uncessary delay, an extra element thant would make sure thi= ngs will not be done on time. But in a GOM, resolutions were always a= dopted by HoDs of represented countries. There is no reason to fix what is not broken, and thisGOM = ; process has always been working very well so far, it is very far to= be broken. On the contrary, if we modify this process, other things = will be more broken than ever, imho.

   What is broken is that many times resolutions are not ex= ecuted promptly, without me wanting here to discuss about responsibil= ities (which are not always the fact of one person). Our goal should = be that resolutions be executed so that the work be done and publications achieved. This process is broken, still, = and should be fixed as smoothly as possible.

   GOMS are a winning process and should continue for inter= im meetings. This is what I had understood in Saskatoon, and it seems= it was understood by others too (so far unanimously), according to t= he reactions seen of the WG1 forum.

Alain
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Le 2014-01-26 =E0 08:22, Khalid Choukri a =E9crit :
Content-Tra= nsfer-Encoding: base64Dear colleagues

Let me first express some astonishment regarding the reactions I have= read since Alain's email about the plenary versus GOM  meetings= , and our SC35 plans.

I think we devote time to discuss this issue in Saskatoon and reviewe= d all arguments pros and cons and the main conclusion was that we hea= d to an annual meeting with a plenary, a WG meetings, and a resolutio= n session; all running over 4 to 5 days.

The intermediate meeting (the one in February this year) would be tur= ned into a meeting of experts as required by the corresponding WG age= nda (which means some WGs would skip that meeting if no item requires= a face to face meeting).


So again, the proposed modus operandi as We discussed it in Saskatoon= would be:

1/ (As long as necessary) a winter/spring technical meeting to addres= s and make progress on technical matters that may (or not) lead to re= solutions. This could be an opportunity to finalize WG reports that r= equire face to face meeting of all experts.

2/ An annual meeting with a plenary session to review the work progre= ss, including the secretariat work and WG resolutions

3/ if a decision/action is taken during the technical meeting, the se= cretariat will turn this into a resolution and bring it to adoption (= electronic vote) and ensure its execution,

We also discussed the scheduling of our meetings and many requirement= s and desiderata were expressed: I would like to ensure participation= of all delegates (which excludes the major holiday seasons e.g. Chri= stmas, Chinese new year, etc.) and necessitates a consensus for two-three years in advance.

I have asked Philippe to circulate the details of the Barcelona meeti= ng, I hope we will get it tomorrow (Monday). I understand that most o= f us are upset because of the missing agenda and plans 10 days before= the meeting. I hope that you made your arrangements for your flights and will share with you informations on accommodati= ons this week.

Best regards
Khalid


> Le 26 janv. 2014 =E0 11:13, Yoshikazu SEKI <yoshikazu-seki@ai= st.go.jp> a =E9crit :
>
> Dear All,
B=88H[=DB=C8=DD\=DC=80t Alain's position.
>
> We need to gather conclusions of WGs' meetings somehow, and also= need to have opportunity to know WGs' activities. We also need to de= cide consolidated next actions after the meeting.
>
=98\=D9Y=DB=88=D3=C0M model, we can have Resolutions even in the meet= ing where the secretary is absent.
>
=99\=DD=99Y=D8\=99=CBB=88B=82=AD=F0shikazu Seki
B=88B=88=8CM=CCK=CC=88M=CENx=E0 O[=DB=9A\]YK= =9BXZP=C0range.com> <monique.mai@orange.com> =E3=AE= =E3=83=A1=E3=83=BC=E3=83=AB=EF=BC=9A
B=80>> Dear all,
=88B=82f=97'7B=F6b=C6=C2=C2=92v=F7V=C6B=C6=AD=B6RF=F2v=976=82yo= u a happy new year 2014 (sorry for sending this message late (my dad = pass away at the end of 2013 and I was pretty busy in the begin of th= e new year.)
>B=88=D9[=D9Hneed a "strong cooperation between W= G's in SC35" and I fully understand, support Allan's position.
=88B=82=F6b6=F0urse, the model adapted during the last session = can save of course expenses. Nethertheless, it really seems to me tha= t the needs of a global meeting for having an overview of the activit= ies of the different subgroup and the opportunity to get an exchange in face to face could be e an opportunity to wrap up the seminar, st= imulate by this method the cooperation and a team spirit within the S= C35. The collective creativity can emerge and I am sure it could be f= inally an opportunity to stimulate all the energies in favour our trementous goal "the accessibility".
>B=80>> If it is necessary, I propose to help Allan or to ac= t for writting the resolutions if Philippe is not here (of course wit= h his support).
>B=88]YH=DB=9B=DD=C8Y=88\=C8roposal can help ; my curr= ent vision is that a tremendous job was done and the cohesion of the = SC35 is essential.
=88B=82f=F7"=AD=F7W"=AD=E6f=F7&=D6F=AD=F6=E2=C2FV= =E6=9726=8C:=A6=E6R=E6B=D7=976V=C6bttend the Barcelone meeting. We re= ally think that we have to take in account the Allan, Keld, Jim comme= nts.
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>=99\=DD=99Y=D8\=99=CBB=82=D0=A3=E3=E2=D6=F6=E6=97VP=D0=A3= =E3=E2=D0 =F8=804(=F8
>>
>
>B=88B=83=E2=D0=A3Q=94=80=E8=BD=DD=B9=95=C8=B5= =CD=8C=CC=D5=DD=9C=C5=BDU=B8=B5=CD=D1=B9=BD=C9=9Cm=B5= =84ilto:owner-sc35wg1@open-std.org] De la part de ALB
>[=80voy=E9 : samedi 25 janvier 2014 14:41
=880=E0=88=D9[=D9[^.com; Jee-In Kim
>> Cc : Carter, James; Khalid CHOUKRI; sc35wg1@open-std.org; ph= ilippe.magnabosco@afnor.org; amelle.mouradi@afnor.org
>=D8=9A=99]=88
=D0=CC=CDU=D1=CCKNJH=91N=88=98YAgenda - JTC1/SC35/WG1 mee= ting - Barcelona, week of 10 February 2014
>B=88H=8CMLKLH0=E8=8CM=CB=D9[=D9[^=98=C0om =E9cr= it:
>>X\=88[B=83=E3=E2=D0 =F8=F8$=85=B1=CD=BC= =CD=D5A=BD=C9=D0=B1=85=A5=B8=9Cs propositions.
=88B=83=E3=E2=92=E6=F7FRF=86BF=86Rtw2v=AD=C6=C2=86fP resolution= s, and that these resolutions should
>=88=99H=C0arried out bu the SC without unnessecary delay, eg. con= firmed via a
>>=D0=C8]\=88=98[=DD\=C8=D9H\=D9H=C8=C8=DA[=88=D9@ run GOMs. >>
=88=D0[Z[=97H[=88=98X=DDY\=88[=D3=D3\=CB=99\=C0olutions were ex= ecuted, we have not done letter ballots to vote on these resolutions = later on.
>B=88]=DA[=88a ballot was called by a resolution= for a NP, CD, DIS, PDTR, etc,, this ballot was done without extra fo= rmality . This is the typical situation for most resolutions.
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>\=C8\=C8H[=DC=DDY=99=9AX=DAY[=D8^H=C8=9B=D8=D9YY[Z=9BB= ;=88
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=82=F6=E0 Fri, Jan 24, 2014 at 07:25:28PM +0900, Jee-In Kim= wrote:
=82FV"=C6=C2=A3=E3=E0=F8=804(=F8>> I also support Al= ain's position and interpretation.
=82=D0=A3=E3=E0=F8]=94=C9=95=85=B1=B1=E4=B9= =95=95=84=CD=D0rong cooperation between WG's in SC3= 5.
>=88=9B=DC=88^[\K we received a lot of valuable comments fro= m experts in all WG's in SC35 to the 30113 series of gesture interfac= es. That seems to me one of the great advantages of the GOM model. I = expect that we need more cooperation in the future.
>>=88B=83=E3=E2=C76=F2=C2vR6=E2&RfW'=92&=F6GV7F= =97fRv=97F=82F=80e GOM model while relieving burdens and expenses of = the secretariat. This seems a very practical solution to me.
>>=88B=83=E3=E2&W7B=A3=E0=F8=F8)=95=94=B5%=B8&#= 129;-=A5=B4=80=A1=A5A=85=A44(=F8>>
=82#14. 1. 24. =CF=F3=F2s=A3b$6'FW"=C2=A6=D6W2"=C66'F= W$72=E7W66=B2=E60a> ??=CF=E0=D0=A3=E3=E0=F8=804(=F8>>H=99[Y]= =99H]\=99H\=99H=98\=9A[=DD\=C0 interpretations of what we discussed. = Alain definitely discussed the GOM model as a means of meeting withou= t plenary in the Saskatoon discussions. Given the context of history within SC35, many participants have a valid expectation that that wa= s what was agreed to.
>=82=D0=A3=E3=E0=F8=F8I=95=9Cards, Jim
=83=E2g&=F6=D3=A2=B6=86=C6=ADB4=84=F5T=B5$=92=B66=86=F7V= =B7&=94V=C6F=E6=F7&u=D0=D0
>=826V=E7C=A2#B=A6=E7V'=92#B3=A33P=D0=A3=E3=E0=F8=F8Q= =BC=E8
=85=C9=D1=95=C8=B0)=85=B4es; ALB; sc35wg1@open-std.org
>=8263=A2=86=AD=C6=97R=E6=D6v=E6&=F0sco@afnor.org; amell= e.mouradi@afnor.org
=83=E27V&=A6V7C=A2e: (SC35WG1.492) Draft Agenda - JTC1/SC35= /WG1 meeting - Barcelona, week of 10 February 2014
>>=88B=83=E3=E0=F8!=A4)=A5=B44
>=82=D0=A3=E3=E0=F8=F8Q=A1=A5=CC=A5=CC= =DD=A1=85=D0=DD=94=91=A5=CD=D5=CD=CD=95= =85=B1=B0=D1=BD=95=D1=A1=95=C8=89=BD=D0h in Busan a= nd Saskatoon and, after the discussions, I announced that we are head= ing towards an annual plenary meeting with, as many as required, tech= nical meetings.
=80> The agreement was that we have our plenaries in the sum= mer (end of June, early July) and a technical one in February this ti= me.
=83=E2=D0=A3=E0=F8=F8 Philippe:  Could you please circulat= e the info on the February meeting
=83=E2=D0=A3=E0>>B=83=E3=E2&W7B&Vv&am= p;G2F=F2=C6=C2=A3=E0=F8=F8 Khalid
>>=88B=80>>=88=D8\\=8B=98[Y\=C8=DC=9B=DDK= =DB=88=CCK=CC=8CM=CE=83B=83=E3d=80strongly ag= ree with Alain that the GOM model that we have historically used work= s well to promote the well being and success of SC35 and that to do l= ess would be to invite major problems in the working and success of SC35.
=80>>
=83=E3=E2&Vv&G2=C2=A6=AD=D0=D0 =F8=F8>> _________= _______________________
>=83=E2g&=F6=D3=A2=C4"=B6=C6&=F6=E4v=D6=AD=A66= =F6=D5=D0=D0 =F8=F8>> Sent: 23 January 2014 08:25
=83=E3=E2F=F3=A2=B6=86=C6=ADB4=84=F5T=B5$=93=B2633Pwg1@open-std= .org
>>=8263=A2=86=AD=C6=97R=E6=D6v=E6&=F766=F4f=E6=F7&quo= t;=E6=F7 g; amelle.mouradi@afnor.org; Carter, James
=83=E3=E27V&=A6V0t: Re: (SC35WG1.492) Draft Agenda - JTC1/S= C35/WG1 meeting - Barcelona, week of 10 February 2014
>=83=E2=D0=A3=E0=F8=F8> Khalid,
=83=E3=E2=D0 =F8=F8>> OK, I updated the timeframe of the = agenda (see attached file, 2nd draft agenda).
>=83=E2=D0
>=83=E2=86=F7vWfW"=92F=86=AD=E6=B2F=86BF=86W&R6= =86=F7V=C6B&R=D2=D22vR=86`e always done -- a P plenary session at= the end to have consolidated resolutions, not dispersed resolutions = in each WG (AFNOR used to call such a meeting a GOM [General Orientat= ion Meeting, a term invented by them for meetings where the secretariat was absent, a situation with which we= got used to and to which we adapted as it seemed the best solution i= n this case] when it was not a formal Plenary). Otherwise I strongly = fear that SC35 will be weakened, disorganized, and incoherent between formal plenaries (we need to be sure that decisio= ns will be cared about and focused in a central point). The sentiment= of "belonging" will also vanish, and groups will feel auto= nomous (let's then form a different SC !) or not cared about (one situation or the other, not much in between). The net result, i= mho, will be that interest in attendance could go down. That is my ex= perience of JTC1      meetings since more th= an a quarter century.
>>=82=D0=A3=E3=E0=F8=F8 We have always have consolidated = resolutions since the creation of SC35 in 1999 (SC35 was created by J= TC1 at its Rio de Janeiro Plenary in January 1999, I was there -- out= of JTC1/WG5, itself out of JTC1/SC18/WG9). This strenghtened SC35 al= l the time, making it a coherent body. When the secretary was not there, I= was acting as resolution secretary (no problem in my doing so again,= and many other people could also do so -- in any way I can still vol= unteer if this is a problem).
>=83=E2=D0=A3=E0=F8=F8> About future meetings, I think th= at we must have strong hints (at least a firm date and a firm contine= nt, ideally a firm country) for 18 months in advance (funds planning = is typically done -- depending on countries -- on a civil year, from = January to December or from another month up to the next eleven months over = spanning civil years [in Canada as a case in point from April to Marc= h of the next civil year). In absence of those strong hints, funds ha= ve more chances not to be sufficiently available, which is also very much detrimental to sustainable attendance.
>>=82=D0=A3=E3=E0=F8=F8 I'm pretty sure that other conven= ors will agree with me. If not, I'm ready to modestly say I have a di= ssident view and would then accept the views of the majority.
>=83=E2=D0=A3=E0=F8=F8> Alain
>>=82=F5=F5=F5=F5=F5=F5=F5=F5=F5=F5=F5=F5=F5=F5=F5=F5= =F5=F5=F5=F5=F5=F5=F5=F5=F5=F5=F5=F5=F5=F5=F5=F5=F5=F5=F5=F5=F5=F5= =F0=D0=A3=E3=E0=F8=F8 Le 2014-01-23 =E0 06:13, Khalid CHOUKRI a =E9cr= it :
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>>=822w&VVBB=F7W"66=B6@oon meeting there will be= no "Plenary" sessions per see in Barcelona,
=83=E3=E2=D0 =F8=F8>> I hope to join the group and introd= uce the activities of the week but this could be an informal introduc= tion on Monday morning , Philippe is looking at that and this should = not last more than 30mn;
>=83=E2=D0=A3=E0=F8=F8> The same decision impacts the clo= sing session (there will be no closing meeting and hence no resolutio= n session), I hope to be able to attend a general gathering (may be o= n Thursday) to wrap up and see how we move forward with respect to th= e July meeting.
>=83=E2=D0=A3=E0>>=88=99Y=D8\=99[=99=C8[=DD\=88][H= =DB=88]\=99HYY][=99=DC=C8H=DDY=D9=D9\=DD=C8leave this out unles= s you would like to get the participants desiderata (and hopefully Ph= ilippe will circulate the invitation from our Chinese partners before= Barcelona)
>>=82=D0=A3=E3=E0=F8=F8 thanks again and best wishes to a= ll for a successful meeting in Barcelona
>=83=E2=D0=A3=E0=F8=F8> Khalid
>=83=E2=D0=A3=E0=F8=F8> P.S. Philippe: could you please u= pdate the SC35 action list, in particular with the information you go= t from Spain, thanks
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>>=82=C6=AD=E0 LaBont=EF=B0=AFH=DC=9B=DDK=DB=88=8C=8B= =CCK=CC=8CMN=8C=8EN=83B=83=E3=E0=F8M=95=94=85=D1= =D0ached file. Please indicate omissions, errors, if any, and suggest= other areas of concerns.
>>=82=D0=A3=E3=E0=F8=F8 Any other remark also welcome. >>=82=D0=A3=E3=E0=F8=F8 Alain LaBont=E9, Convenor, JTC1/S= C35/WQG1
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